As I said in my comment, I don’t understand why people are so adamant about not voting for Biden.
For me (perhaps coming from a Chinese perspective, although I can’t speak for everyone), it’s a no brainer: play with the cards you’re dealt with, think about how to win the long game etc. It’s all about being strategic, and how to buy time and build an actual movement from under an oppressive regime. Moralizing about it is not going win you the war. And I want us to win in the end.
For example, the CPC cooperated with the KMT to form a national front against fascist Japan, even though the KMT had massacred some 95% of the communist party members during the Long March. It was not something to feel good about, even with great humiliation, but it was necessary for the communist movement to survive and ultimately prevail.
I don’t know if I should say this, but it is becoming quite clear to me that Western leftists are more interested in moralizing the issues than to actually build a revolutionary movement. Perhaps this is why there are so few left wing movements left in the Western imperial core? I don’t think they actually want to win and take power. I’m not saying this is the main problem, but certainly worth thinking more about it.
I don’t know if I should say this, but it is becoming quite clear to me that Western leftists are more interested in moralizing the issues than to actually build a revolutionary movement. Perhaps this is why there are so few left wing movements left in the Western imperial core? I don’t think they actually want to win and take power. I’m not saying this is the main problem, but certainly worth thinking more about it.
Ok this doesn’t make any sense in the context of voting for Biden and the Democratic Party, the left will NEVER win voting for the dems which should be clear to anyone who’s been alive these last forty years
Biden’s victory in 2020 obliterated the American left and the Sanders movement that gave it steam, ironically the only one moralizing here is the person demanding we vote for a genocider because Trump will hypothetically be worse or god forbid “unpredictable”
I am more than comfortable throwing the democratic party in front of the Republican bus and buying the left time to properly organize without the disgusting kayfabe of the DNC splitting our movement, if the dems are serious about their opposition to Trump than they will be forced to split the establishment and weaken the imperial structure overall and if they’re just bullshitting and will happily go along with Trump’s fascism then the swathes of radicalized youth that will create will aid our movement too
Either way that is far more strategic than making deranged ahistorical comparisons with the CPC’s relationship with the KMT during the Sino-Japanese War
Because for some of us, watching Palestinians be murdered is enough for us to be adamant about opposing Biden. How many dead kids does it take for you to even understand someone else holding a grudge? Is it that unbelievable?
As I said in my comment, I don’t understand why people are so adamant about not voting for Biden.
For me (perhaps coming from a Chinese perspective, although I can’t speak for everyone), it’s a no brainer: play with the cards you’re dealt with, think about how to win the long game etc. It’s all about being strategic, and how to buy time and build an actual movement from under an oppressive regime. Moralizing about it is not going win you the war. And I want us to win in the end.
For example, the CPC cooperated with the KMT to form a national front against fascist Japan, even though the KMT had massacred some 95% of the communist party members during the Long March. It was not something to feel good about, even with great humiliation, but it was necessary for the communist movement to survive and ultimately prevail.
I don’t know if I should say this, but it is becoming quite clear to me that Western leftists are more interested in moralizing the issues than to actually build a revolutionary movement. Perhaps this is why there are so few left wing movements left in the Western imperial core? I don’t think they actually want to win and take power. I’m not saying this is the main problem, but certainly worth thinking more about it.
damn i wonder if it has anything to do with the genocide he’s doing
Death to America
There you are moralizing, just like Kaplya said.
“Being opposed to an ongoing genocide is just moralizing. Also you should listen to my other opinions on morality.”
I can excuse genocide, but I draw the line at refusing to make token gestures that don’t materially help marginalized folks.
Ok this doesn’t make any sense in the context of voting for Biden and the Democratic Party, the left will NEVER win voting for the dems which should be clear to anyone who’s been alive these last forty years
Biden’s victory in 2020 obliterated the American left and the Sanders movement that gave it steam, ironically the only one moralizing here is the person demanding we vote for a genocider because Trump will hypothetically be worse or god forbid “unpredictable”
I am more than comfortable throwing the democratic party in front of the Republican bus and buying the left time to properly organize without the disgusting kayfabe of the DNC splitting our movement, if the dems are serious about their opposition to Trump than they will be forced to split the establishment and weaken the imperial structure overall and if they’re just bullshitting and will happily go along with Trump’s fascism then the swathes of radicalized youth that will create will aid our movement too
Either way that is far more strategic than making deranged ahistorical comparisons with the CPC’s relationship with the KMT during the Sino-Japanese War
Because for some of us, watching Palestinians be murdered is enough for us to be adamant about opposing Biden. How many dead kids does it take for you to even understand someone else holding a grudge? Is it that unbelievable?