You mean all of America. Because it’s not as simple as that. We have agreements and contracts and alliances we can’t just get rid of at the drop of a hat without consequences.
We can all stand with Palestine - and yes, I do - but do you also want that happening to the US itself? You really wanna fuck with that hornet’s nest?
A vote against Biden is a vote for Fuckface 45. And he’s worse.
You want that? You want Fuckface 45 again? Say it.
The US can do anything it wants at the drop of a hat. That’s an appeal to authority. Israel is almost completely dependent on US trade and support, they’re literally our proxy in the Middle East. They have fought in explicit proxy wars for us already against other nations. There is plenty of leverage, which is why this movement has stayed urging Biden to end the genocide.
If you stand with Palestine, you should vote uncommitted in the Democratic primary to let the Dems know how many people actually want the killing to end. Because until it does, more and more will be killed. They literally die and are dead. A protest vote with no systemic consequences that boosts the call to end the genocide of the Palestinians is worth it, as many people have calculated.
It’s funny because at this stupid stage in America, not voting for biden this November is an active vote for Trump and the redoubling and active support of Israel’s genocide.
“Yay we sure helped the Palestinians by not voting for someone who continued support of a country doing genocide but has been able to be swayed away from them and causing someone who wants to outspokenly kill all Palestinians to have control and kill many times more Palestinians.” Bastions of morality…
Vote for others in the primary, but vote for the D in the main election.
Who is this “they?”
Anyone who is voting “uncommitted” has enough brain cells to know both candidates are bad for the world, which means they have enough brain cells to know Biden is an obvious choice in a Biden v Trump matchup.
Do you understand that in the primary there is no contest between Trump and Biden? Biden’s going to get the Democratic nomination anyway, so voting uncommitted in the primary has no negative consequences in the actual election that happens in November?
The “Biden is complicit and we aren’t voting for him” mentally. Primary or not, this “movement” can gain a lot more momentum going into November than is desired.
People voted uncommitted in an effort to tell Biden that he needed to improve his policies, not to say that they’re gonna not vote. If they weren’t gonna vote, they wouldn’t have voted.
This is a dumb take bred from perceived superiority.
actions breed habits
Lmao “I got to the polls in November and my muscle memory took over and I voted uncommitted in the general election, since I did it once 8 months ago I couldn’t resist”. This is like Dunning-Kreuger for life in general.
Or is it a “just don’t do anything” enlightened centrist take?
Ivan Cantu got over 150k signatures for a stay of execution, and he’s still dead. I’m not a centrist, far from it. I’m a progressive.
But I also understand game theory, psychology, and sociology (all on an admittedly amateur-ish level), as well as how First Past the Post voting works in the US. I’m 100% for a cease fire in Gaza, humanitarian aid, the Israel government to be tried for war crimes, etc. But how YOU are doing it has shown time and again that it doesn’t produce results. Oh, so I guess I know a little history too.
So, for instance, you remember 2020 when George Floyd was murdered in cold blood in the streets and then the world’s largest protest broke out? What happened?
What was accomplished via those protests? Did Police Brutality stop? What about the more pertinent Police Brutality of POC? Did Qualified Immunity cease? How many bad apples are still in the bunch? Police unions get busted?
We got a couple of "I’m sorry"s, and a fucking street naming.
You see, while collective action CAN do things (not much), you need to understand that this vote ain’t gonna do fucking squat. You got a 100k+ votes for uncommitted? Yay. Out of 330+ million people in the US. Less than 1%
The general election has been called. And either Biden or Fuckface 45 is gonna win. By recruiting to third party, you’re swaying more people to:
NOT vote for Biden at all (which is a vote for Fuckface 45)
or
not vote AT ALL in the general election in November (which is a vote for Fuckface 45, because the Rs always vote)
I’m not voting for Fuckface 45 in the General Election. Are you?
You wanna stop the genocide today? Take to the streets with a gun in hand. Take to Israel with a gun in hand. Take to a senator’s house with a gun in hand. Don’t self immolate, you’ll just kill one of your comrades in arms.
While I don’t think everyday life should ever have a gun in hand, when you want IMMEDIATE political / wartime change, non-violence solves nothing. (this goes for protests against police brutality, bring a gun - take the mask mandate protests, they were armed, they got what they wanted)
But if you want gradual policy change: vote local, campaign local, work with a local candidate, etc.
Otherwise, you’re just trying to find your friends, and you’re making enemies of possible allies.
No shit, Biden is a genocidal asshole but at least he’s not trump that’s the whole point of the uncommitted campaign
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Then I guess Joe Biden better stop funding a genocide then
Clearly “not committing genocide” is too high a bar for the neoliberal mind to grasp
You mean all of America. Because it’s not as simple as that. We have agreements and contracts and alliances we can’t just get rid of at the drop of a hat without consequences.
We can all stand with Palestine - and yes, I do - but do you also want that happening to the US itself? You really wanna fuck with that hornet’s nest?
A vote against Biden is a vote for Fuckface 45. And he’s worse.
You want that? You want Fuckface 45 again? Say it.
You do not understand the US primary system.
These registered Dems, the only people who can vote in the Democrat primary, know full well the fascist guy is worse https://web.archive.org/web/20240306112504/https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905 he has already said it explicitly on just the genocide of the Palestinians. And we all know that he tried to overthrow the US government and did many illegal things already.
The US can do anything it wants at the drop of a hat. That’s an appeal to authority. Israel is almost completely dependent on US trade and support, they’re literally our proxy in the Middle East. They have fought in explicit proxy wars for us already against other nations. There is plenty of leverage, which is why this movement has stayed urging Biden to end the genocide.
If you stand with Palestine, you should vote uncommitted in the Democratic primary to let the Dems know how many people actually want the killing to end. Because until it does, more and more will be killed. They literally die and are dead. A protest vote with no systemic consequences that boosts the call to end the genocide of the Palestinians is worth it, as many people have calculated.
https://tenor.com/view/john-oliver-cool-sarcasm-sarcastic-gif-8465330
Glad you got it :)
It’s funny because at this stupid stage in America, not voting for biden this November is an active vote for Trump and the redoubling and active support of Israel’s genocide.
“Yay we sure helped the Palestinians by not voting for someone who continued support of a country doing genocide but has been able to be swayed away from them and causing someone who wants to outspokenly kill all Palestinians to have control and kill many times more Palestinians.” Bastions of morality…
Vote for others in the primary, but vote for the D in the main election.
Who is this “they?” Anyone who is voting “uncommitted” has enough brain cells to know both candidates are bad for the world, which means they have enough brain cells to know Biden is an obvious choice in a Biden v Trump matchup.
Those people are voting uncommitted for Fuckface 45 then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo
Do you understand that in the primary there is no contest between Trump and Biden? Biden’s going to get the Democratic nomination anyway, so voting uncommitted in the primary has no negative consequences in the actual election that happens in November?
No. The answer is no, they don’t understand.
Of course they understand. They just want to frame opposition to genocide as support for Trump.
And you think people aren’t going to keep this mentality for November?
What mentality? The one I’m describing is the “Biden sucks but Trump is way worse” mentality. I don’t see how that results in Trump being elected
The “Biden is complicit and we aren’t voting for him” mentally. Primary or not, this “movement” can gain a lot more momentum going into November than is desired.
People voted uncommitted in an effort to tell Biden that he needed to improve his policies, not to say that they’re gonna not vote. If they weren’t gonna vote, they wouldn’t have voted.
This is a dumb take bred from perceived superiority.
Lmao “I got to the polls in November and my muscle memory took over and I voted uncommitted in the general election, since I did it once 8 months ago I couldn’t resist”. This is like Dunning-Kreuger for life in general.
Or is it a “just don’t do anything” enlightened centrist take?
Ivan Cantu got over 150k signatures for a stay of execution, and he’s still dead. I’m not a centrist, far from it. I’m a progressive.
But I also understand game theory, psychology, and sociology (all on an admittedly amateur-ish level), as well as how First Past the Post voting works in the US. I’m 100% for a cease fire in Gaza, humanitarian aid, the Israel government to be tried for war crimes, etc. But how YOU are doing it has shown time and again that it doesn’t produce results. Oh, so I guess I know a little history too.
So, for instance, you remember 2020 when George Floyd was murdered in cold blood in the streets and then the world’s largest protest broke out? What happened?
What was accomplished via those protests? Did Police Brutality stop? What about the more pertinent Police Brutality of POC? Did Qualified Immunity cease? How many bad apples are still in the bunch? Police unions get busted? We got a couple of "I’m sorry"s, and a fucking street naming.
You see, while collective action CAN do things (not much), you need to understand that this vote ain’t gonna do fucking squat. You got a 100k+ votes for uncommitted? Yay. Out of 330+ million people in the US. Less than 1%
The general election has been called. And either Biden or Fuckface 45 is gonna win. By recruiting to third party, you’re swaying more people to:
or
I’m not voting for Fuckface 45 in the General Election. Are you?
You wanna stop the genocide today? Take to the streets with a gun in hand. Take to Israel with a gun in hand. Take to a senator’s house with a gun in hand. Don’t self immolate, you’ll just kill one of your comrades in arms.
While I don’t think everyday life should ever have a gun in hand, when you want IMMEDIATE political / wartime change, non-violence solves nothing. (this goes for protests against police brutality, bring a gun - take the mask mandate protests, they were armed, they got what they wanted)
But if you want gradual policy change: vote local, campaign local, work with a local candidate, etc.
Otherwise, you’re just trying to find your friends, and you’re making enemies of possible allies.