• xor@infosec.pub
    181·
    9 months ago

    well it’s don’t just vote for the lesser of two evils…
    but i don’t remember anyone saying biden was the only thing needed to stop the arming of israel…

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
      825·
      9 months ago

      I said that.

      Biden can solely stop the arming of israel by declaring they are committing human rights violations which would prevent arms exports.

            • Nevoic@lemm.ee
              24·
              9 months ago

              I don’t see how you’re having trouble understanding that anti-genocide rhetoric can also come from the left. I would actually wager that the majority of genuine critiques surrounding the Biden administration’s support of genocide would not be from Republicans, since most of those fascists love the idea of killing natives in the name of forming a white ethnostate.

              I doubt there are many Trump supporters who want to eliminate the existence of trans/minorities while also saying “FREE PALESTINE” on random lemmy posts lmfao.

              I guess you could take the position that they’re not genuine critiques, that every critique of Biden is a false flag Trump supporter or direct KGB agent from Russia, because who in their right mind would actually give a fuck about a genocide happening to others. They’re not American, so fuck them right?

              If that last paragraph resonates with you, then I’d ask you to consider who in this conversation is actually the close-minded bigot. If it doesn’t, then you have to recognize that there are genuine, valid critiques of Biden coming from the left, and it’s hard to stomach the idea of going out and openly supporting a president in favor of furthering Israel’s genocidal campaign.

                • Nevoic@lemm.ee
                  34·
                  9 months ago

                  I think the majority of Trump supporters can barely get on the internet successfully, let alone infiltrate Lemmy so deeply that 99% of the anti-genocidal rhetoric are false flags. You need some actual data to back this claim, and I don’t know if you’ve ever talked to a Republican, but they’re not exactly known for their ability to empathize with other positions, they have serious trouble explaining what a socialist position even is, they genuinely don’t understand it.

                  If someone online is coherent in their explanation of a leftist position, they’re probably a leftist.

                  Who benefits from all the lefties dropping out

                  Potentially Palestine. I’ve explained this countless times to you moderate libs, and I have no idea how you can’t figure this out on your own, it’s not complicated.

                  If it’s abundantly clear to Biden and Democrats in 2024 that they lost due to their genocide support, and they want to win in 2028, guess what they might do? Stop supporting genocide.

                  What worked in 2020? Anti-Trump rhetoric. What are they trying in 2024? Anti-Trump rhetoric. It’s valid rhetoric, but it also allows them to keep positions they want (e.g funding pro-U.S ethnostates), and ignore positions the vast majority of leftists want (free Palestine).

                  If anti-Trump rhetoric fails in 2024 because supporting genocide is too big of a problem, guess what might happen in 2028 that would otherwise not happen? They could stop supporting genocide to get the votes back and return to power.

                  Literally so unbelievably simple, yet so many people like you don’t reason it out on your own. I don’t know if it’s purposeful ignorance or genuine stupidity.

                  • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
                    1·
                    9 months ago

                    It’s really uncomfortable how many blue magas have been coming out of the woodwork to tell me how excited they are for us (women, minorities, foreigners) to get what’s coming when Trump wins because we didn’t vote Biden.

                    Like don’t they understand how that makes them look? Baffling, really.

        • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
          1021·
          9 months ago

          Who is the current president right now, Donald Trump?

          Is Donald Trump going to stop Joe Biden being complicit in Genocide?

          And what you’re saying is not even true I have plenty criticized Republicans.