More video and eyewitness info on Al Jazeera so far

Also reported on Common Dreams and Middle East Eye.

I haven’t found any reports of any independent investigations yet, hopefully they are underway

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    10 months ago

    Except Gaza shares a border with Egypt that Israel was not controlling before the Oct. 7 war and I’m not sure if they are controlling it now.

    Israel is preventing Palestinians from overthrowing Hamas? Why would that be true and what evidence of that claim do you have?

    You can’t defend people and strip them of all agency at the same time.

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      10 months ago

      Israel blocks all materials that the Palestinians would need to throw out Hamas and they have been doing that for decades.

      So, again, what do you expect the Palestinians to do?

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        10 months ago

        So to the best of your knowledge, there has not been a single uprising attempt against Hamas, and the Jews in Israel are to blame?

        Wow.

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          No, again, Israel has COMPLETELY blockaded Gaza.

          The Palestinians don’t have anything with which to even attempt to throw out Hamas.

          So what would you have them do? What do you think Israel’s reaction would be if they tried to smuggle weapons in through the blockade?

          Again, this is all Israel’s design. They could lift the blockade today. They could normalize relations with the Palestinians today. They won’t, because what they really want is to choke them out and steal their land. They won’t be satisfied with less.

          https://newrepublic.com/post/178243/benjamin-netanyahu-literally-says-from-the-river-to-the-sea

          “According to other translations, Netanyahu said that Israel “must have security control over the entire territory west of the Jordan River,””

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            10 months ago

            So your argument is essentially that the Jews are to blame for terrorist actions against them and the terrorists themselves should not be held accountable because the Jews won’t allow it…

            I’m not sure if you personally are an antisemite but the people telling you this nonsense clearly are and I think you should start considering how these arguments come across to people who aren’t antisemites.

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              10 months ago

              No, I’m saying Israel is to blame for the Palestinians inability to do anything about Hamas.

              If you want Hamas gone, stop treating Palestinians like terrorists.

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                10 months ago

                I’m not the one treating Palestinians like terrorists, you are. You are the one claiming they support terrorism against Israel because Israel forced them into it.

                That’s nonsense and you don’t believe that.

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                  10 months ago

                  I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying they are incapable of dealing with Hamas on their own because Israel does not allow them the supplies and support they need to be able to deal with them.

                  If Israel lifted the blockade and allowed the Palestinian Authority to act on their own, as an independent government, Hamas would be gone.

                  Israel will never do that, because they see all Palestinians as the enemy.

                  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/24/israel-gaza-world-leaders-un-genocide-palestinians

                  “Israel’s former chief military advocate general and the country’s former attorney general no less, who declared that to destroy Hamas “then you have to destroy Gaza, because everything in Gaza, almost every building there, is a stronghold of Hamas”.”

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                    10 months ago

                    …Gaza has had 15 years to try and Mount an offensive against Hamas.

                    Israel is attacked with a bombing essentially weekly over the last near 2 decades. Where are the supplies for those coming from?

                    Is Qatar possibly the answer?