I know it’s lib shit to get people to point out things on maps but what percentage of people who are concerned about Xinjiang know that it shares a fucking border with Afghanistan, and have considered whether these issues are connected in any way
That’s an extremely material consideration. You want me to consider someone’s physical location on earth? As a liberal I just can’t do that, tankie.
I have never been able to understand why Seppos have to pronounce “Uyghur” as “weegur”. Just fucking say “ooy-goor”. Or even “oy-gur”. You can do it. It’s not difficult.
Inb4 I’m called a prescriptivist, yes I know I’m a hypocrite but this is just a pet peeve
Listen to this clip of a Uyghur person saying “Uyghur” (it’s the top link on that page, also the third) and tell me if it sounds more like “wee-gur” or “oy-gur”.
The link isn’t working for me.
Does this work: https://forvo.com/languages/ug/
Nope.
OK I downloaded it and uploaded it to soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/casskaydee/uyghur-as-pronounced-by-uyghur-person
So your point is basically that /uj/ is to your ears closer to /wi/ than to /oj/? It’s not like I haven’t heard Uyghurs say the word “Uyghur” before, I just thought that it was a bit silly to swap a vowel for a glide and a glide for a vowel. To me neither /wi/ nor /oj/ sound particularly close to /uj/, but of those two options I still favor /oj/ because it’s the option that ends in a glide.
So your point is basically that /uj/ is to your ears closer to /wi/ than to /oj/?
Pretty much yeah. For the same reason the French “oui” sounds like “wee” to Anglophones and is usually reproduced that way to them.
That’s just the natural way an English speaker reads that combination of letters, we’d have to interact with someone who actually knows what a uyghur is in order to hear the correct pronunciation
natural way an English speaker reads [uy]
In what world?!
Well, in this one for a start.
Alright, checking a word list, there is “soliloquy”. But there is also words like “buy”.
I think the “wee” sound comes from combining the “u” and the “y” sounds to be “oo-ee”, and that sounds like a “w” when you say it quickly.
I can’t think of an English word that has an initial “uy”, so there’s not really anything to follow there.