“it takes all the running in the world just to stay in place.”
Normally refers to biology arms races, where a poisonous animal and a poison resistant predator play tit for tat, making stronger poisons and stronger resistances to try and outplay the other just to stay alive.
Now, artists and AI are doing the same. AI wants to steal art without paying for it, artists dont want their art stolen. Artists come up with little tricks to poison the data set if their art is used, AI comes up with little tricks to strip the poison from the data.
The dance continues, the dancers straining and struggling, all to stand still.
Ah, similar struggle my dad described when negotiating sales of complex systems, both parties start with unrealistic demands, just to have stuff to give away to the other side during negotiations.
He has told me several times that he just wishes that the process was way more streamlined and that the parties could start closer to the realistic goal.
He has since retired, so he no longer needs to deal with it…
FFS. People. It’s “stealing” as much as visiting a museum and going home to sketch/sculpt/compose is theft.
When did the chicken-little mindset of old fucks become default reaction set for the whole damn world? 🤮
Edit: Ah, yes. More uneducated armchair experts yelling rhetoric. How surprising. Please, tell me you came from Reddit without telling me you’re from Reddit. 🤣
Except you don’t put in the effort to go yourself and interpret the art or the effort to make it. The human element is completely removed; besides, people should do what they want with their art, including prevent AI from using it to the best of their abilities.
“AI” image “generation” has been known to spit back out more or less intact copyrighted works, complete with watermark. It doesn’t create anything it’s just an outright plagiarism machine.
I believe this is suggesting an AI poisoning edit, not removing the image entirely. It should be mostly imperceptible. Plus, you could update with newer methods as they come out.
If you replace all your online images then ai can’t look at it. No one else can either, but you stop ai I guess.
They’re talking about using this: https://nightshade.cs.uchicago.edu/
Isn’t Nightshade defeated by just applying an anti aliasing filter to the image?
Yeah, this is some “I don’t consent” FB post level of stupid shit. 🤷🏼♂️
Even I’d it’s not, it’s using a pattern to “defeat” something that is mostly pattern recognition.
Makes sense. There will definitely be an adversarial situation going forward.
Ever heard of the red queen hypothesis?
Nope
“it takes all the running in the world just to stay in place.”
Normally refers to biology arms races, where a poisonous animal and a poison resistant predator play tit for tat, making stronger poisons and stronger resistances to try and outplay the other just to stay alive.
Now, artists and AI are doing the same. AI wants to steal art without paying for it, artists dont want their art stolen. Artists come up with little tricks to poison the data set if their art is used, AI comes up with little tricks to strip the poison from the data.
The dance continues, the dancers straining and struggling, all to stand still.
Ah, similar struggle my dad described when negotiating sales of complex systems, both parties start with unrealistic demands, just to have stuff to give away to the other side during negotiations.
He has told me several times that he just wishes that the process was way more streamlined and that the parties could start closer to the realistic goal.
He has since retired, so he no longer needs to deal with it…
FFS. People. It’s “stealing” as much as visiting a museum and going home to sketch/sculpt/compose is theft.
When did the chicken-little mindset of old fucks become default reaction set for the whole damn world? 🤮
Edit: Ah, yes. More uneducated armchair experts yelling rhetoric. How surprising. Please, tell me you came from Reddit without telling me you’re from Reddit. 🤣
There he is! The kid who got kicked out of school for plagarism
If you read thousands of different sources to learn about something and then write about it yourself, congrats, you’ve AI plagiarized.
Except you don’t put in the effort to go yourself and interpret the art or the effort to make it. The human element is completely removed; besides, people should do what they want with their art, including prevent AI from using it to the best of their abilities.
“AI” image “generation” has been known to spit back out more or less intact copyrighted works, complete with watermark. It doesn’t create anything it’s just an outright plagiarism machine.
I hope content hosting services start applying it by default.
I believe this is suggesting an AI poisoning edit, not removing the image entirely. It should be mostly imperceptible. Plus, you could update with newer methods as they come out.
You could generate a different temporary img url every time and nightshade it after the link expires.
You could generate a different temporary img url every time and nightshade it after the link expires.