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Neither were cowards, both corrupt war machines started to break down when the flow of US money dried up. It has nothing to do with individual bravery, everything to do with a puppet state being cut off after it proved insufficient for our needs
These motherfuckers need materialism
Wow this rivals “an outbreak of gratitude among the Iraqi people” as one of the things someone can say to get themselves Disney fastpassed instantly to the front of the wall line
fight for their own freedom.
“Freedom” once again just means “Western rule”.
Pretty sure it makes very little difference for the average Ukrainian whether wholesome100 Cpt Zelenskyy or evil Putler is in charge of their government. Russians are not any less “free” than Ukrainians, if anything, their freedoms are limited by Western sanctions and being banned from participating in international competitions.
Freedom
Freedom for Donetsk and Luhansk, right?
…right?
the taliban offensive lasted 3 months and the result was the complete control of afghanistan and the seizing of billions of dollars worth of american equipment by the taliban
we’re over 6 months into the hyped ukrainian counteroffensive and all they have to show for it is some miniscule dots on a map and huge casualties on their side
not cowards like the people of Afghanistan
I don’t know how you could look at the modern history of Afghanistan and not think that Afghan people are brave to the point of insanity.
Cowardice is when you don’t get down and grovel for your American masters
They’d probably die after their nearest Supermarket closed down and they could no longer use their phone or computer.
These are the people who call themselves the adults in the room and say you’re only left-wing because you don’t have enough life experience.
or just like a big hole in the ground
It comes down to blood. Which side can bleed more. And the answer is Russia. Someone can correct me on this story, but it goes like this… A country goes to war agains China. Every day the Chinese lose one million fighters. After 100 days the enemy surrenders to China. Suffering and dying is part of the Russian psyche. They will bleed their own country dry and consider it a patriotic gesture.
They actually still believe they are dying in droves, just naruto running into the bullets in human wave attacks.
“The slavic brainpan is predisposed towards human wave attacks and death” is…certainly a take to have
Libs sure do love their literal Nazi propaganda.
These deeply unserious people managed to find an old bottle of vintage N*zi Germany era anti-Slavic racism and have been gulping it down heavily. It’s literally the “superior Western Europeans cannot be defeated by the inferior and stupid
Slavic hordesRUZZIAN ORCZ. Operation Barbarossa will be a success!” all over again.This war isn’t great for Russia, I highly doubt they were like “Yeah! We want a 2 year long slog that has serious trade ramifications for us!!!” But the idea that are losing or lost is silly. They maintain control over the break away territories and have maintained their currency and economy in the face of western opposition. They have taken heavy casualties yes, but so has Ukraine; which has taken a higher per capita loss as well as perhaps an absolute greater loss as well. Like the goal of toppling the midan regime fell flat, and the fascist forces behind it are most likely dug in even deeper in western Ukraine, so that’s not ideal. But the idea that Russia has lost is kind of silly. What’s definitely gonna happen is a negotiated peace where Russia keeps some or all of the break away territory, while Ukraine gets some face saving measures. All in all it will have been a completely pointless tragedy that only Ultimately benefits western capital interests.
Any peace that does not guarantee Ukraine won’t join NATO and becomes a demilitarizated neutral country will not be accepted by Russia. This war started because of that, Putin would have left the russian in the donbass to die if he could have had that.
My issue is that Putin is how do I put this nicely a paranoid boomer high on his own anti western TV propaganda. as such he WILL NOT accept any guarantees of Ukrainian neutrality short of direct physical control over kiev. Any ceasefire will eventually break down because of this
It’s something I should have included in my previous comment, but the fact that previous agreements were simply broken by Ukraine and NATO really does make any peace with the Kiev regime just a truce at best.
But let’s not pretend like marching all the way to the polish border is the end goal. Occupying western Ukraine would probably be very costly for Russia, and the fascists would resist however they could.
How is Putin paranoid? If anything he was far too trusting and western friendly until the West forced him away. All of the hardliner Russians “paranoia” has been proven correct and it was the trusting comprador faction that got proven to be disconnected from reality. Putin has a more grounded and serious view of this than any Western leaders but apparently he’s “paranoid”?
Sounds like you have been reading too much NYT
I’m Russian myself and in the winter of '22 I was posting how Putin is never going to invade because it would be stupid and against his objective interests (which is still true imo lol) and that all those troops buildups and exercises were intimidation tactics for negotiations. Then he goes and does it, proving right all the American natsec ghouls and ukrainian nazis who were screaming the whole time that he’s insane/can’t be trusted in negotiations and will invade.
Putin should have invaded in 2014 and he had no choice to invade. I was saying he was going to invade the whole time and was frustrated it took him so long. You just weren’t listening to the right communists
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Russia won’t pull out, Putin has to appear powerful. It doesn’t matter if it ruins Russia economically, he won’t ever stop.
Russia is the fastest growing economy in Europe.
They have a birth rate well below replacement and are bordering on demographic collapse. They can’t afford to lose millions of men like they could in WW2.
Once about 32 million Russians die (probably early 2025) then the door will be locked in and the whole rotten edifice will fall down.
What I hate is most people don’t seem to realise it’s not only about Ukraine. Letting Russia win opens a whole other can of worms. Do we really want authoritarian powers with imperialistic ambitions around the world to think they can just invade what they want and wait until the West gets tired?
The west is the vanguard of anti-imperialism.
Meanwhile, Russia has had to sell oil at loses, has had assets frozen, has suffered heavy sanctions meaning lack of materials and equipment/technology, and has had to switch to a war time economy. Meanwhile, it has barely made a dent in the wests finances.
Russia the fastest growing economy in Europe.
Meanwhile, it has barely made a dent in the wests finances.
How long do you think it’ll take liberals to figure out that derivatives and oil futures don’t translate into ammunition and rations if you outsourced all your factories?
They never will, the signs are already bad for the Ukrainian side.
In March 2023, the EU made the historic decision to deliver a million artillery shells to Ukraine within 12 months. But the number that has actually been sent is closer to 300,000.
According to the armed forces of Ukraine, over the summer of 2023, Ukraine was firing up to 7,000 artillery shells a day and managed to degrade Russia’s logistics and artillery to the point where Russia was firing about 5,000 rounds a day. Today, the Ukrainians are struggling to fire 2,000 rounds daily, while Russian artillery is reaching about 10,000.
Russia is likely to be able to fire about 5m rounds at Ukraine in 2024, based on its mobilised defence production, supply from Iran and North Korea, and remaining stocks. Despite the flippant observation – often made by European officials – that Russia’s economy is the same size as that of Italy, the Kremlin is producing more shells than all of Nato.
This is not to say “Russia stronk, victory imminent”, but that there’s a rising tide on the Russian side which has, amusingly, more stable allies, that can actually ship war supplies on time. Even this lib commentator is not shying away from noting the Ukrainian counter-offensive floundered. The closer you get to the actual details, the less gung-ho you are about the war, funny that.
Russia is the fastest growing economy in Europe.
Source? I couldn’t find anything that backs this up
Kinda me, I remember watching Lazerpig videos and stuff about how smelly big bad Russia is and slava ukraini and stuff like that, before I went all the way left… now I’m sitting here, thinking about how badly Russia is totally for real legitsies I promise losing.
You’ll become accustomed to this playbook and you’ll get jaded very quickly.
As a rule of thumb, the best default position is to take the opposite of whatever the US tells you about other countries. It’s not guaranteed to be the correct position but you’ll be on a better footing than if you go with it.
Anyway back to the playbook thing, you see the US State Department issuing their ideological positions - these are the bad guys, these are the good guys, this is a threat to peace/democracy/the gays/America, this is our ally.
This message filters down to political pundits and think tanks and news outlets and similar organisations that are effectively ideological apparatuses of the state.
This then filters down to commentators (e.g. Lazerpig, China watchers, R*ddit armchair experts).
Finally, this filters down to the long-form cultural content like movies and TV shows which take longer to produce than some shitty opinion piece or a dudebro yakking into a mic while livestreaming a video game.
The order that this flows in can change somewhat but that’s how it typically goes.
The intensity of the messaging also determines how much gets filtered down to the lower levels. For example, not that I keep up with modern gaming or movies or TV, but I’d be really surprised if we saw much in the way of Venezuela/Maduro being posed as the bad guy in media (or stuff coded to be Maduro/Venezuela). China, on the other hand…
So if you look back over media from history you’ll get little tips of the hand to whoever was the current villain of the hour. Sometimes it’s coded fairly heavily (e.g. the original Predator movie being about SE Asia, and specifically Vietnam) and sometimes it’s blatant (e.g. Back To The Future [the first one, I think?] where Libya is posed as a minor antagonistic force and a major nuclear and terroristic threat to the entire world - in a scene previous to the one linked I think there’s discussion about how they acquired plutonium from the Libyans.)
Obviously games like Call Of Duty and shows like Homeland are really heavy-handed with it and so it’s much easier to identify the messaging but even in comedy movies and stuff like children’s TV shows you’ll find these messages peppered in. But basically it’s just one long chain of stenograghy that spans the breadth of western media consumption.
When you see the same message across US government press releases, newspapers, TV shows, commentators, games, movies etc. then it’s a really good indication that this is coming straight out of the stenograghy apparatus.
One thing that’s bitterly funny to watch in this, as this same pattern repeats over and over again, is when you get those moments where there’s a big inversion or reversal of the good guys and the bad guys.
One of the most obvious examples is Reagan in the whitehouse pictured meeting with the Mujahedeen, many of whom would later go on to form the Taliban, Rambo being dedicated to the Mujahedeen, and that infamous New York Times article touting Osama Bin Laden as a freedom fighter. Obviously somewhere along the way, things took a sharp turn.
I wasn’t alive for it but there would almost certainly have been the same media flip-flopping with Saddam Hussein back around the time of the first Gulf War because he was actually once considered to be somewhat of a US puppet - Bill Hicks touched on this in one of his routines. I would expect the same sort of thing happened with Noriega back in the day as well.
Of course, in recent times we have the small blips on the media radar about the Azov Battalion and Right Sector et al., who were represented accurately as fascist paramilitaries but then suddenly when the Ukraine war started that narrative was dropped and all of that stuff disappeared down the memory hole and suddenly these fascist (often former) paramilitaries who openly wear Nazi symbols and fly the UPA flag are actually just noble freedom fighters now.
Of course the villain is always weak and destined to lose while also carrying out outrageous atrocities (that the US and its allies definitely aren’t carrying out themselves at the same time, promise!!) but you’ll see it switch - it’s Hamas at the moment and it’s very likely we’ll see more attention on Hezbollah/Lebanon and especially Iran because of this but Yemen is also going to be in the sights too. Of course yesterday it was Russia, and the day before that it was Syria, and the day before that was Belarus, and the day before that it was Venezuela… China is a mainstay these days and over time I only expect that to trend upwards overall but there will need to be a lull in the interrupting villain of the moment before we will resume our scheduled program of Chiner Bad!!
