Ignores apartheid. Ignores genocide. Ignores occupation. Claims the full history isnt represented on tiktok.
Tbf Palestine also ignores that they did those things to the Jews to begin with and calls for doing it again
But it is funny to see conservative circles praising Fetty when they hated him so much a month ago
Palestinians occupied Israel and installed a two tier justice system? Palestinians have spent 70 years illegally expanding their settlements? Palestinians are committing genocide?
WOW, when did this happen?
Middle Ages
By the end if it there weren’t any Jews left
“Jewish Palestinians” =/= “Israelis”.
The majority of settler occupiers in occupied Palestine are not historically from that region and have no ties to those present in the region in the 8th century. .
So Israel and non-Jewish Palestinians should be forced out?
That hardly seems like a viable solution
Lmao what?
You love to assume. Ever heard why you don’t assume? I’ll let you google it.
What else could be inferred from what you said
Uh, what??? Care to explain or have some facts backup up your statement.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Jerusalem
What are you confused about? Islam is relatively new compared to Judaism. How did you think it spread through the Jewish Middle East?
You realize it was the Roman’s who ended Jewish majority in the region, right? Not Muslims.
Where it claims that judaism remained the majority in the region?
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I’m sorry but the happenings of a thousand years ago do not qualify for a modern war.
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Lmao. Sure buddy. When you stop using religion to justify violence I might care about your attempt at an insult.
When you stop using religion to justify violence
What?
Never mind, my previous statement was clearly correct
he’s got a quarter million dollars of Israeli money in his pocket. I wonder if that might warp his fucking perception.
Plus there’s that eight billion dollars he got from the UK.
You think Senator Fetterman was given eight billion dollars by the British Monarchy to side with Israel?
I’m saying I’d like a source for the AIPAC donation. I’ve searched a bit and only found a Reddit comment.
It’s likely true, but a source would still be nice.
You think he’s got 8 billion? Someone spends to much time on Tiktok, lol.
Ok, I followed the happenings in Gaza via Tiktok, among other things. My perception is that the IDF bombs the shit out of the Gaza strip and nowhere is safe. 20000 people died, many more severly disfigured. What is wrong with my perception?
It is.
But the accurate perception is also really bad. Israel is committing genocide
What about the UN? Is the OHCHR a warped perspective?
How about Reuters?
What’s the limit? Because this is just the tip of the iceberg. We’ve got then using 2000 pound bombs in civilian areas on “tunnel entrances” they have no evidence were in use by Hamas. We’ve got then bombing hospitals and showing us standard security guard equipment for the middle east in an attempt to portray a military command post. They lied about a calendar that was plainly visible on the wall.
At what point do you admit they are purging the Warsaw ghetto?
Yeah, I really want to hear senior Dem leadership tell the youth they’re listening to the “wrong” news sources about the Israel/Palestine conflict. /s
Is he in the pocket of AIPAC or simply never considered that support for Israel is support for genocide?
Get on the right side of history, dude.
you consider him senior dem leadership?
I agree that Congress is not on the right side of history here, but he’s not entirely wrong. Few people have nuanced views that say Israel and Hamas are bad, and instead try to oversimplify to give people a side to root for.
It’s a clusterfuck of politics, war crimes, and ancient grudges, and Palestine is stuck between.
So far, I’ve seen far more people claiming someone else is defending Hamas than I’ve seen people actually defending them.
You can be on the side of civilians. Pretty simple actually
I agree. I don’t see other people (other than a relative few on the Fediverse) who see it that way, because they want a clear villain to defeat.
It’s a pretty simple stance to take, you know the “don’t go around killing/maiming/terrorizing/raping random civilians” stance. It shouldn’t be hard to say “treat people with respect”. No matter if they are friend, enemy, or bystander.
What if I told you there are citizens in Israel who have been hurt by the conflict
Dont care, they shouldn’t be occupying someone else land
Judea is Jewish land.
Nope, my gods are older, and better. And they said that all lands are my lands.
You all need to get off my land.
My god beat up your gods and now your land is mine because my god said so.
I think there are more than a few people who feel that Israel and Hamas are both bad actors here.
Weird, we only seem to meme about Israel…
I don’t use tiktok as I think it makes us dumber but I imagine the ratio is relatively similar.
How many tik toks have you seen about the long history of peace offerings Hamas has refused?
How many have you seen of Israelis dumping water down the drain to make fun of the Palestinians they don’t have any?
I’ve seen more than one and I don’t use TikTok.
Those of us who feel like both are to blame tend to be outshouted by the “I ALWAYS STAND WITH ISRAEL NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO” and the “HAMAS ARE JUST FREEDOM FIGHTERS SO ANYTHING THEY DO IS JUSTIFIED” groups. And if we speak up to point out that both groups have issues, we get attacked by both groups for not being on a side and especially for not being on their side.
One of the big problems with the Middle East is that it’s a messy situation and people like simple narratives. They don’t want to hear a hundred plus years of attacks, revenge attacks, generational trauma, etc. That’s not easy to resolve. Instead, people want to know that A is always good and B is always bad. That’s nice and simple and easy to fix. You just eliminate the bad people and all is well.
Sadly, the real world is rarely so black and white.
I feel you, I should not have to lead every criticism of Israel with a criticism of Hamas. I can criticize the fucking government. I don’t think I need to condemn terrorist that everyone knows are already terrorist.
I expect more from a fucking government than I do of Terrorists.
But if you just want to do the same stuff that they’re doing, you’re not a good guy so don’t call yourself. Don’t try to pretend to be one just admit that you are what you are, the bad guys, not every situation has good guys
The reverse is true. Every criticism of Hamas should be led with a criticism of Israel.
The Palestinians have tried every form of peaceful protest which led to them getting shot by Israel. Hamas is a reaction to Israel’s deeds. That reaction did not appear out of thin air for no reason.
Saying there are two evils in this situation is a milquetoast take. Hamas is morally gray. Israel is the only real evil party here.
No, no, they lost all of their great area when they attack a Music festival full of civilians and kidnapped and killed children.
That is 100% sold in the morally black area
There is no evidence of Hamas intentionally killing any children. There is plenty of evidence of Hamas sparing children. Almost all of the kids were likely killed by the IDF shelling the Kibbutzes.
The music festival wasn’t even supposed to be there anymore but was extended so that was just an unlucky coincidence. Hamas leadership stated that this was not planned and wasn’t their goal. Their targets were military bases.
Also there were armed soldiers at the festival with guns.
The IDF however does plans to kill children in a children’s hospital that are getting treated from having the leg blown off from the IDF bombing their house. THAT is not a coincidence. They do this with full knowledge, satalite imagery and guided missiles.
It’s just super fucking annoying that all of our politicians are stuck in zero-sum tribal thinking, and cannot comprehend that most rational people think Hamas AND the Israeli government are complete psychos, and that the vast majority of Palestinian and Israeli civilians (specifically excluding “settlers”, who are violent, racist, theocratic, nationalist pieces of shit) are simply caught in the middle.
Tik tok is a news source?
Certain accounts on there, yeah. Turns out it’s not hard to be credible if you just try.
Unironically yes.
OK boomer
Ok, zoomer.
I’m ashamed to have supported him, and if nobody else will primary him I will. I’ll lose, but clearly I need to do these jobs myself. Just like every goddamn thing else.
It’s amazing how much those sentences contradict each other.
Takes a liar to spot a liar i guess
Takes a liar to spot a liar i guess
Hot take: I voted for him in the primary, and im going to vote for him again in 2028.
Cool story.
I mean seriously, all the facts are on Israel’s side.
Now, I still think their actions against Palestinians are fucked up but until Palestinians actually do some work towards peace nothing will be solved.
And we’ll be talking about it in 40 years as it’s not on Israel to bring peace to the table when they tried to do that for decades back in the 1900s and each time the Arabs spit in their faces.
There is no way forward for palastine in which Hamas exists. If the palestinians chose to continue to fight it’s gonna end one was, with them cleansed from the land. See the Westbank with much better conditions fot the arabs because there aren’t non stop rocket attacks. Also the settlements have to stop yesterday and the land partially returned
Hamas pretty much wouldn’t exist if Israel wasn’t funding them: https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escorted-suitcases-cash-hamas-qatar-report-2023-12?r=US&IR=T
And hamas certainly wouldn’t exist if the Palestinian people weren’t being murdered for their land for decades.
Mmmmm yes much better conditions.
