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      10 months ago

      While I don’t think it’s true, I could accept the idea that it were possible to make that much money ethically. However, having that much and not doing good with it? To me that’s the bigger evil. Billionaires should be extincting themselves.

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        Entertainers could be an exception to the evil billionaire rule, but even Swift was doing things like renting out her jet, and her shows have a huge carbon footprint as well.

        If she were paying for the pollution, the profit margins wouldn’t be so high.

        Also we just need to tax most of the income over $1 million a year. Like we did before the 80s greed is good bullshit started.

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        Nobody earns a billion dollars. Imagine it’s October 12, 1492. One of your ancestors is so excited about Columbus landing in America, that he starts putting aside the equivalent of 5000 dollars every single day. And through good fortune, every heir continues to do the same. 5000 dollars added to a pile every single day for over 530 years. 5000 dollars is more than most people make in a month and it accrues every. single. day. There is no interest on the money, but at the same time there are no taxes and nobody spends it on frivolous stuff like food or shelter or education or healthcare. And now, after more than 531 years you inherit it all and realize you’re not a billionaire. I know it’s an unrealistic thought experiment, but to me it shows that no billionaire ever earned their money.

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        I think ever having that money, unless it’s just shit into your lap for some reason, precludes you from being the kind of person who can do that good. It takes a level of cutthroat and a degree of psychopathy to accumulate that much wealth in a single lifetime. So in essence, having and making that much are both fucked.

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        Bill Gates is probably the better billionaire of the bunch, but I can’t tell if he’s against the anti-billionaire tax policies because it would take away his privilege or if he believes he does more good with the money providing medicine in Africa than the government would do with it. Depending on his answer he’s just as bad as the rest of them.

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      I have a little bit more respect for artists and top athletes, though. Their money is relatively honest and definitely comes from working hard and smart, not from exploiting others.

      Taylor has a sold out world tour. A lot of people want to see her perform, even if all the way from the back of a huge stadium.

      She could lower prices, but then scalpers would make even more profit.

      In contrast, no one wants to see me sing live.

      We should still tax her money at a higher rate than average.

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        You could argue most of the money some top athletes make is from advertising deals and you might see that as amoral. Being really good at running is impressive, but doesn’t inherently contribute hundreds of millions of dollars worth of value to society.

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          Brand deals with companies that sell stuff that’s probably made by slave Labor. Not so ethical.

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            Is anything that any of us do in the western world ethical based on that though?

            I mean who are to judge athletes for those brands deals when we’re buying those products, using those phones/computers to go on Lemmy etc.

            I’d argue musicians/athletes that do this are not the most ethical, but it’s not this stuff that makes them the worst offenders.

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              They are famous people, if they advertised a more ethical brand, people would buy that brand instead.

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        A world tour like that requires a shit ton of labor, sure it’s less straight forward to decide how much surplus value of that labor goes to her, but I would argue it’s certainly not negligible

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          If she had to do everything by herself, the world tour would consist of a few one-woman-gigs at local bars.

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            Like all things, there’s a middle ground. No, don’t do everything yourself, but give back proportionally. Swift is better than most in that regard, sure, but she can clearly give more if she’s encroaching on being with 10+ digits. This is the problem.

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          Just the handful of concerts I’ve been nominally involved in settin up… there’s hundreds of security staff. 20-50 semi trucks for the stage, a hundred or so roadies. Dozens of forklift drivers. Traffic direction.

          And that’s ignoring increases staffing/labor by cities and neighboring properties (increased cops, paramedics, increased security adjacent to the event…)

          Like.

          It’s far from negligible