These people are crazy and very dangerous. I hope Americans - and especially American media - can stop bothsidering Joe and unhinged fascist craziness like this.
But Joe didn’t stop the genocide!
You know, by acting unilaterally… In a foreign country over which he has no authority… Mired by centuries of dissent…
Right, he didn’t actively say he’s a Zionist and pledge support no matter what Israel’s actions.
I’ve recently noticed that Lemmy often has great difficulty with detecting sarcasm.
It’s like the sarcasm-aware never left Reddit and the ones that did just can’t spot it even when pretty blatant in front of their face.
I would have thought that would be the one place where a /s isn’t needed
So “both sides” because Biden believes Israel should be allowed to exist? 🙄
The issue is that Israel is refusing to allow Palistinians the same right to exist.
Right now, supporting Israel is the same as supporting genocide. Any moral obligation to support Israel has long since eroded into history.
It would be nice if the world was so easily divided into black and white, but it isn’t. Politics is complicated, and the actions of the Israeli government are not the actions or even the will of the Israeli people. Israel deserves to exist, and so does Palestine. Acknowledging the rights of both people doesn’t negate condemnation of what either government has done in violation of human rights.
Trying to walk that middle line between their right to exist and disavowing their actions is harder than you think. You think it ought to be easy, except for the people who think differently from you and insist that the opposite solution you want is the only acceptable path.
We don’t have the privilege of knowing everything about the situation. Trying to drive from the back seat isn’t helpful.
and the actions of the Israeli government are not the actions or even the will of the Israeli people
the government of Israel is nominally democratically elected. I have no idea how fair those elections were or weren’t. That government represents the people. if the people have a problem with it’s actions… it’s probably time for them to do something about it. In the mean time, there are some things that are pretty fucking black and white. Genocide is one of them.
Supporting genocide… is not cool.
We don’t have the privilege of knowing everything about the situation.
Are you saying that Israel is some how not committing war crimes and atrocities?
Genocide is bad. Both Hamas and the Israeli government are guilty. But the Israeli people and the Palestinian people are not their governments. We can’t abandon either of them and keep the moral high ground. So how do we accomplish all of those goals and get their governments to accept it.
You can’t force your black and white perspective on this no matter how satisfying you might find it.
The problem is people acting like the alternative to Biden is any better
Exactly! And these protest vote morons couldn’t pick a worse time to bury their stupid heads in the sand
A lot of it is Russian and GOP psyop bullshit on social media
the problem is just having the one alternative
False dilemma.
It’s possible to support the position of both sides.
Israel has a right to defend itself.
The Palestinian people have a right to exist.
Let’s make this equal: Palestinians have a right to defend themselves.
Merely existing isn’t the same standard. Every single argument except “the holocaust and you owe us”… can be flipped and used to back a pro-Palestine position,
Further? Your argument is… pretty freaking atrocious. We have no moral obligation to provide military aid to Israel.
Providing military aid to a nation that is committed to a genocidal campaign more than kind of makes us complicit in said genocide.
We can and should support the civilians. Doesn’t mean we have to support genocide and provide genocidal maniacs weapons of war.
Finally, and this is critical. Israel is, nominally, a democratic state. The current government was elected into power what? Last year?
Gaza residents last had an election 17 years ago, with the wining party (Hamas) having been supported by Israel specifically to destabilize Palestine… and even then they only had 44% of the vote. More than half of Gazans that are alive today did not get to vote then.
It is fair to say that Gazans aren’t responsible for Hamas’ actions. It is less fair to say Israelis are not responsible.
Do all countries have a right to exist, or just Israel?
Could you clarify your position please?
he could have stopped all military aid and placed sanctions to the maximal extent of presidential authority and pressured congress into doing what he alone can’t. he hasn’t even denounced the genocide. the CIA has couped countries for much less bad things, why not now?
Listen I don’t like Biden’s support of Isreal right now either but to not vote for him just because of that is lunacy- allowing Trump to win will result in a genocide within our own nation. Just look at project 2025, the Trump crowd is planning it.
when did I say anything about voting? I’m tired of people shutting down any criticism of Biden because we aren’t allowed to have a primary to replace a shitty candidate who is polling below a generic democrat ahead of an important election
Because there are tons of people that aren’t going to vote for Biden over Israel. I’m sorry I just assumed, but I’m so used to people saying “I’m not voting for Biden because of Israel” so I just assumed. I would like Biden to be replaced in the primary with someone better as well, but it’s not going to happen.
biden supporters shouldn’t sweep concerns like that under the rug because that’s how you lose elections. entitlement to people’s votes isn’t a good strategy, and “moderate” (right wing) candidates aren’t actually safer since the median American is progressive based on how they respond to polls on individual issues. I’m sick of having these arguments with biden fans who seem to support him despite these glaring issues. personally I wasn’t gonna vote for him anyways because I live in a deep blue state where it literally doesn’t matter but if we get a fascist takeover of the government because biden lost it’s all on biden fans for their poor choice in candidate and I just hope you’ll join us on the barricades
I feel like that fatalistic attitude is too commonplace. That it’s inevitable that fascist takeover, although Biden is not my favorite in any way, shape, or form, I would still have anything other than a fascist takeover with popular support. I feel like that kind of defeatism only sets us up for failure like in the Francoist revolution. Spain’s left was so bitter that they really couldn’t join together when the shit hit the fan.
Chin up man, of course we will join on the barricades if that happens. Don’t let them live in your mind so much, let them “minecraft” in your mind.
That’s a complicated question with an even more complicated answer. The two words I will use are geopolitical advantage.
It’s not the average American you have to worry about … it’s the corporate controlled media companies that are pushing this narrative.
If you opened up the stage for people to speak up, they wouldn’t want any of the people that are in place right now.
The media and the establishment are the ones who drive the narratives because they are the ones with all the money and control.
So average people aren’t deciding on wanting someone like Trump … it’s corporate heads and wealthy backers who are promoting, advertising and pushing this narrative because that’s what they want.
If these stories didn’t sell, the media wouldn’t run them. Yes, they should be objective and stop being culpable in this ongoing assault on American democracy… but they’re serving a market.
They’re not serving a market … they’re serving a master.
The general media is not an independent entity that does things to make a bit of money … they are a tool that is used by corporations and the wealthy elite to corral people into a certain mindset and beliefs … that eventually lead everyone into electing only those people that are marketed to them.
“It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don’t want that. I’m talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls.” - George Carlin
People wanting to read crazy, unhinged, insane, chaotic garbage about how the world is falling apart doesn’t mean that they want it to keep happening or that they approve or that they think these are the right people to have in charge.
Their motives don’t matter because the result is the same.
Edit: The algorithm is driven by engagement. One’s particular reason for engaging with media content is wholly irrelevant- to the algorithm, watching Alex Jones because he’s a flaming racist homophobic paranoid schizophrenic and watching Alex Jones because one is a flaming racist homophobic paranoid schizophrenic are equivalent. The algorithm doesn’t care why the content was engaged with, only that it was.
And that’s why, even though finally Biden opened his mouth to tell corporations to stop price-gouging, prices are still high.
The fate of the country doesn’t matter silly, ratings do!
Yeah that’s what the Catholic Church told us in Québec during the great darkness. (La Grande Noirceur) That if we didn’t vote for the then leader of the Union Nationale party, Maurice Duplessis, we would go to hell.
The Catholic Church was promptly kicked out when the boomer generation finally reached voting age and the silent revolution began.
Until every Catholic school is removed from public funding, I’m gonna continue to be pissed at the Canadian government for giving those fucks my tax money.
Amen brother.
Aren’t Boomers usually more Protestant? I’m only like half joking
In Quebec?
boomers are a generation not a religion
Not in Quebec. It’s a French thing I suppose?
There’s no way either outcome in the 2024 election will resolve without at least some sort of attacks from the far-right, and I can’t imagine what would happen after a Trump victory. The fate of the nation hangs by a silver thread.
And next time, project 2025 will ensure there are no more threads for our democracy to hang from, in addition to helping Putin to destabilize the cis region and boost his ussr resurrection dream, catapulting us ever closer to wwiii
May we stop living in interesting times…
civil war either way. not even being hyperbolic
Christcucks commit more blasphemy than actual pagans.
I didn’t read the article, but I watched the “rally.”
It’s been a while since all this shit gave me the chills. That is, or rather should be, legitimately very, very concerning language…
History doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes. Let’s punch it in the throat before it can finish this bar.
Oh really? So why hasn’t God smote the Democrats already? Why is retribution always an in-the-future threat?
Because that’s what holy wars are for unfortunately
God commanded us to smite the infidels! How do I know? I feel it in my heart! If you don’t believe it, you’re obviously an infidel.
God could come down from the Heavens and say that to my face and I’d still flip him off. Fuck Trump.
If god was real he would have smote every last republican by now.
I hate my country, the UK, for its crimes against humanity. We’ve done some shitty, shitty stuff; stuff that makes you sick. But nothing, nothing makes me more embarrassed than the thought that the USA was our mistake. We created the worst mistake in history.
In your country’s defense, you didn’t create it. You did everything in your power to stop it, and failed miserably. All the rest… yes.
I agree am American. What is this shit
it’s a pet peeve when religious folk make claims that are in fact testable hypotheses. Like we could measure various metrics of “god’s wrath” in relation to regions of voting preference. Poverty, famine, disease, mortality, natural disasters.
Same feeling when they talk about prayers healing the sick. That’s neat, but apparently the effect isn’t statistically significant.
Oh yeah? Well remember that one time he flooded New Orleans and that other time he sent a hurricane to New York and those fires in California and literally nowhere else on the planet has ever had catastrophic weather in the history of ever?
Atheistmate, lib!
He usually doesn’t get any of the flak but Jesus himself said “it is written: do not test the lord thy god” Matthew 4:7, they will quote that back to you
Trump fits all the definitions of the antichrist
Christofascists just being christofascists…
“The kind of man who demands that government enforce his ideas is always the kind whose ideas are idiotic.” - H. L. Mencken
Fuck the republican traitor filth.
If there was a god, i am sure that he wouldbe with a cheater, grifter, liar, misogynistic, adulterer, idiot like the mango mussolini
I’m particularly fond of Cheeto Benito (as in the moniker, not the individual)
