#OOR23 shows how difficult it is for renters to find affordable housing. Find out how much a renter must earn to afford a modest home at https://nlihc.org/oor
This site has these sorts of stats for each state.
A “modest one bedroom” isn’t exactly modest - it’s a luxury for a single person. Modest would be sharing a studio with several other people.
The federal minimum wage really is quite low (even that shared studio would cost a large fraction of what a minimum-wage worker earns) but I don’t think society should be targeting the “lives alone in a one-bedroom” lifestyle as the minimum when sharing a space is a reasonable and much more affordable way to live.
Ah yes, can’t afford “luxury” one bedroom apartments? Just shack up with half a dozen strangers in a studio apartment! It’s the only reasonable thing to do.
People who are OK with others getting ripped off and having terrible conditions just because they did in the past are scum of the Earth. Literally, they CHOOSE to perpetuate problems. Problems that they identified as problems.
Fuck them, and fuck anyone who defends them. They are literally a detriment to the world.
Edit: Keep in mind, I worded it after reading some of their later replies. They are quite comfortable giving others less because they had a poor upbringing. Preeeetty sure honorable people take the exact opposite lesson when they live through it and learn that squalor shouldn’t be acceptable for anyone to deal with.
I said I’m my opinion. I do not agree with that person at all, but to resort to calling them name is a bit far, again in my opinion.
If you want to convince the other of the error of their ways adding insults is not helping getting your point across.
I too read further and was surprised how their poor background somehow formed this rather intense opinion. But that was due to others being more like and asking questions, rather than yelling curse words.
I find disagreement can be conveyed more politely, without losing out on effect. And generally getting mad at people on the internet is rather fruitless and vapid.
Yeah this guy just loves to punch down and doesn’t get why they aren’t making friends but they have everyone else that’s angry happy to root for them because they also want to be angry. It won’t work to bring anything together and will just isolate people further.
What an utterly pathetic projection from you. I am not trying to make friends nor am I trying to change their mindset.
They are someone who thinks their suffering justifies others’ suffering. If you think that makes them intelligent or worthy or respect, that is a flaw of yourself and your self alone.
I am expressing my opinion. Why does it need to be more than that? What are you expecting out of text on the internet? Truly, you are dumb. Seriously, stop projecting your desires on to me.
When I was young, I was in the Soviet Union. I lived with my sister, my parents, and my maternal grandparents in a two-bedroom apartment. We were middle-class family there.
People have to put 2.5x the regular number of hours to afford a single house to themselves. If they wanted to try to spend only 50% of their income on rent (still a stupid ask, but normalized these days.) They would have to share that one bedroom rental with 5 other people! That’s a lot of scheduling to keep that one bed free.
I kind of agree that communal-ish living should be more normalized in the U.S. but people should at least have their bedroom free. It’s kind of a difficult argument to make when every apartment is built to accommodate one person or a couple and no new property ever gets built with communal living in mind.
Edit: also, the one bedroom apartment is obviously being used as a benchmark here and not as the plutonic goal for renters.
Responses to this comment are why intelligent discussion around this and many topics like it are worthless to have on Lemmy. There is an echo chamber here way larger and more insular than there ever was on Reddit.
The Lemmy hive mind is of a single perspective. It is best to ignore discussion around serious topics on this site, unfortunately.
I mean while I agree with you on the surface, that dude is comparing old Soviet Union life to modern American life… it’s pretty obvious those two things are very different.
Oh I completely agree with you. But the comments against it are ridiculous.
For decades, young people lived with roommates yet this is completely ignored. I grew up with roommates. My parents did too. So did their parents. But reading these comments makes it sound like the expectation is to turn 18 and be handed the keys to a 1 BR in a nice area.
Just ridiculous. And every single topic in this site is the same.
I don’t know about all that I think most of the angst or anger comes from the fact that they’d have to work like a hundred and something hours a week just to afford a one bedroom.
A “modest one bedroom” isn’t exactly modest - it’s a luxury for a single person. Modest would be sharing a studio with several other people.
The federal minimum wage really is quite low (even that shared studio would cost a large fraction of what a minimum-wage worker earns) but I don’t think society should be targeting the “lives alone in a one-bedroom” lifestyle as the minimum when sharing a space is a reasonable and much more affordable way to live.
Ah yes, can’t afford “luxury” one bedroom apartments? Just shack up with half a dozen strangers in a studio apartment! It’s the only reasonable thing to do.
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What in the Hooverville is this hot take? Now having a bedroom is a luxury?
Your desire to live in squallor should not be forced on others, you pathetic, unsympathetic piece of shit.
You could have phrased that more friendly, imho
Could have? Yes. Should have? No.
People who are OK with others getting ripped off and having terrible conditions just because they did in the past are scum of the Earth. Literally, they CHOOSE to perpetuate problems. Problems that they identified as problems.
Fuck them, and fuck anyone who defends them. They are literally a detriment to the world.
Edit: Keep in mind, I worded it after reading some of their later replies. They are quite comfortable giving others less because they had a poor upbringing. Preeeetty sure honorable people take the exact opposite lesson when they live through it and learn that squalor shouldn’t be acceptable for anyone to deal with.
I said I’m my opinion. I do not agree with that person at all, but to resort to calling them name is a bit far, again in my opinion.
If you want to convince the other of the error of their ways adding insults is not helping getting your point across.
I too read further and was surprised how their poor background somehow formed this rather intense opinion. But that was due to others being more like and asking questions, rather than yelling curse words.
I find disagreement can be conveyed more politely, without losing out on effect. And generally getting mad at people on the internet is rather fruitless and vapid.
Yeah this guy just loves to punch down and doesn’t get why they aren’t making friends but they have everyone else that’s angry happy to root for them because they also want to be angry. It won’t work to bring anything together and will just isolate people further.
What a waste of anger.
There’s no need to coddle shit people with shit opinions.
Good. Maybe the social consequences of being a shit person will slap them in the face one day.
What an utterly pathetic projection from you. I am not trying to make friends nor am I trying to change their mindset.
They are someone who thinks their suffering justifies others’ suffering. If you think that makes them intelligent or worthy or respect, that is a flaw of yourself and your self alone.
Then what are you doing other than pumping your chest and yelling at people? Some, that agree with you?
If you don’t want conversation then why bother being here other than to pretend you are doing something shouting at the nothing in your phone?
Pitiful.
I am expressing my opinion. Why does it need to be more than that? What are you expecting out of text on the internet? Truly, you are dumb. Seriously, stop projecting your desires on to me.
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Modest doesent mean minimal as possible it just means not excessive. What you described isint modest, its a prison cell
“You will have nothing and be happy with it”
“YESSIR RIGHT AWAY SIR!”
Fuck off.
Did your parents share a studio with several other people when they were young?
When I was young, I was in the Soviet Union. I lived with my sister, my parents, and my maternal grandparents in a two-bedroom apartment. We were middle-class family there.
People have to put 2.5x the regular number of hours to afford a single house to themselves. If they wanted to try to spend only 50% of their income on rent (still a stupid ask, but normalized these days.) They would have to share that one bedroom rental with 5 other people! That’s a lot of scheduling to keep that one bed free.
I kind of agree that communal-ish living should be more normalized in the U.S. but people should at least have their bedroom free. It’s kind of a difficult argument to make when every apartment is built to accommodate one person or a couple and no new property ever gets built with communal living in mind.
Edit: also, the one bedroom apartment is obviously being used as a benchmark here and not as the plutonic goal for renters.
Fuck off Landtoid.
Responses to this comment are why intelligent discussion around this and many topics like it are worthless to have on Lemmy. There is an echo chamber here way larger and more insular than there ever was on Reddit.
The Lemmy hive mind is of a single perspective. It is best to ignore discussion around serious topics on this site, unfortunately.
I mean while I agree with you on the surface, that dude is comparing old Soviet Union life to modern American life… it’s pretty obvious those two things are very different.
Oh I completely agree with you. But the comments against it are ridiculous.
For decades, young people lived with roommates yet this is completely ignored. I grew up with roommates. My parents did too. So did their parents. But reading these comments makes it sound like the expectation is to turn 18 and be handed the keys to a 1 BR in a nice area.
Just ridiculous. And every single topic in this site is the same.
I don’t know about all that I think most of the angst or anger comes from the fact that they’d have to work like a hundred and something hours a week just to afford a one bedroom.
Right and that is understandable. My point is that if you are working min wage, you can’t afford a 1BR and should live with roommates.