GNOME devs need to touch grass and listen to the actual users.
I totally agree. However, interacting with any gnome devs is like pulling teeth. They keep making bad decisions to be ‘different’ and make their jobs easier, then when those decisions turn out to be bad they have to walk them back but never admit fault.
Being able to move the dock is fine example of this.
It’s like they want Apple’s lack of customization but can’t provide a competitive default (because they suck at their jobs.)
I don’t like the insinuation that because gnome devs are volunteers they are somehow beyond criticism
You can volunteer on a project and still do a bad job, or need corrective action, or maybe even a little feedback. That’s not a bad thing. Nobody can make the right decision 100% of the time, and you need an outside perspective to see that.
One thing where you should draw the line is when that criticism starts to become abusive, but that’s something nobody should have to put up with, not just volunteers.
Correct, but I’m seeing a lot of abusive criticism in this thread, where we bash the devs rather than the code. That’s where I draw the line.
Also, when criticizing work, it should be kept constructive rather than just hurling generic statements and insults. A well formulated thought is more likely to change things than a toxic, meaningless rage-induced rant.
Lol, how does this change the fact their work stinks? Maybe if they didn’t suck at designing the hate would stop? Nah, guilt trip the users instead, that’ll fix it. Free crap is still crap, and pointing it out isn’t a sin. If the devs can’t deal with that, maybe they should go home and cry about it instead of further shitting up the code.
Devs don’t owe users anything? Guess what, users don’t owe devs shit either. If they don’t like criticism, tough tittys, cause shit code will be criticized, which is why Gnome is still considered a joke.
I totally agree. However, interacting with any gnome devs is like pulling teeth. They keep making bad decisions to be ‘different’ and make their jobs easier, then when those decisions turn out to be bad they have to walk them back but never admit fault.
Being able to move the dock is fine example of this.
It’s like they want Apple’s lack of customization but can’t provide a competitive default (because they suck at their jobs.)
You know these are volunteers that work for free, right?
I don’t like the insinuation that because gnome devs are volunteers they are somehow beyond criticism
You can volunteer on a project and still do a bad job, or need corrective action, or maybe even a little feedback. That’s not a bad thing. Nobody can make the right decision 100% of the time, and you need an outside perspective to see that.
One thing where you should draw the line is when that criticism starts to become abusive, but that’s something nobody should have to put up with, not just volunteers.
Correct, but I’m seeing a lot of abusive criticism in this thread, where we bash the devs rather than the code. That’s where I draw the line.
Also, when criticizing work, it should be kept constructive rather than just hurling generic statements and insults. A well formulated thought is more likely to change things than a toxic, meaningless rage-induced rant.
Some are working for free, sure. But mainly GNOME is developed by Red Hat and Canonical, afaict.
Florian Müllner is a Red Hat employee.
Yes, however most GNOME developers are not RedHat / Canonical employees.
Even those that do work for those companies should be treated with dignity. GNOME is free of charge, and no one is obligated to use GNOME.
Lol, how does this change the fact their work stinks? Maybe if they didn’t suck at designing the hate would stop? Nah, guilt trip the users instead, that’ll fix it. Free crap is still crap, and pointing it out isn’t a sin. If the devs can’t deal with that, maybe they should go home and cry about it instead of further shitting up the code.
Devs don’t owe users anything? Guess what, users don’t owe devs shit either. If they don’t like criticism, tough tittys, cause shit code will be criticized, which is why Gnome is still considered a joke.