Windows 11 may be the king of operating systems, but Linux is the better alternative for programming and software development.

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    • King@lemmy.world
      1252·
      8 months ago

      A real programmer would focus on the writing and not the thumbnail, like a kiddie.

            • King@lemmy.world
              235·
              8 months ago

              and which math book has that? idk how making up shit helps u here. and it’s not even a good comparison, misinformation vs some ascii art. I hope those real programmers are more mature

      • sir_reginald@lemmy.world
        161·
        8 months ago

        I’m not a programmer, just an old school Linux user. The writing is okay, I just pointed out that this thumbnail does not do the article any favor.

        • King@lemmy.world
          230·
          8 months ago

          I wonder how you tried linux with that silly penguin as a logo, didn’t that give you kiddie vibes too? What’s your opinion on it? Does linux lose your respect over it?

          • Dotcom@lemmy.ml
            151·
            8 months ago

            It’s not about the ascii dragon, it’s that Kali Linux is known amongst Linux communities to attract (script) kiddies / wannabe hackers.

            And Tux is a stone cold G. If that penguin alone didn’t bring you over to Linux you have brain problems.

            • King@lemmy.world
              215·
              8 months ago

              Thumbnail is bad because the distro attracts people I dont like and I’ll even call the authors ignorant over it, those kiddies may be more mature than you, real programmer

              • Rustmilian@lemmy.world
                2·
                8 months ago

                You’re assuming “kiddies” means literal children, but no. It means skill level.
                The problem with scripts kitties is that they’ll only use pre-existing pen-testing tools, maybe those tools work maybe they don’t, either way the script kiddie learns nothing.
                To be a real hacker you need to bare minimum learn a programming language and seek to learn the interworkings of a computer.
                Script kiddies tend to not even attempt to learn.

                • King@lemmy.world
                  14·
                  8 months ago

                  the script kiddie learns nothing.

                  He has something in common with the “real programmers” in this sub then, disregarding an article and even calling the author ignorant because the thumbnail has some …ascii art?

          • sir_reginald@lemmy.world
            11·
            8 months ago

            An image is added to an article to catch the reader’s eyes, so the article gets read. I pointed out that this image didn’t transmit a proper impression of the article.

            If you are as superior as your condescending attitude suggests that you don’t even get a first impression of things, good for you. But us, mortals, will have an impression of the article posted by taking a glance at the thumbnail or the cover of a book, if that were the case.

            Of course, that first impression will change after reading the actual content, but getting the first impression right gets you more people looking at the content.

            • King@lemmy.world
              113·
              8 months ago

              ascii art doesnt transmit a proper impression but a silly penguin for an os does?

              • Aatube@kbin.social
                6·
                8 months ago

                ASCII art has virtually no relation to Linux and the penguin is at least its mascot. Judge ém or not it’s a SYMBOL, while the ascii art thing does not symbolize much related to the article

                • King@lemmy.world
                  17·
                  8 months ago

                  The picture literally mentions kali linux how many distros mentioned do u need if only u gave same attention to the writing

              • Rustmilian@lemmy.world
                4·
                8 months ago

                a silly penguin for an os does?

                Would you prefer the transgender fox Linux mascot named Xenia? 🧐

                • King@lemmy.world
                  13·
                  8 months ago

                  Im not the one judging content based on thumbnails/logos, ask literally anyone else in this thread

  • seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org
    642·
    8 months ago

    Windows 11 may be the king of operating systems

    In what world? I’ve just started using it at work, and I swear the other day it tried to sell me an XBox controller. Not like I was on the Web and an ad popped up, no. It was part of the operating system!

    Can you imagine going back in time 10 years and telling somebody “In the future, Microsoft is going to put pop-up ads in Windows.” People would think you were crazy!

    • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.works
      16·
      8 months ago

      1. The phrase “Windows 11 may be the king of operating systems” brings to my mind an image of a malformed non-functional decadent brat, the result of generations of might makes right and cousin fucking, given absolute power by sheer force of habit because it’s utterly incapable of achieving anything under its own merit. Either this one or his son will be so preoccupied with throwing opulent parties that he won’t bother securing the army’s loyalty, then we can overthrow him and ratify a constitution.

      2. 10 years ago was 2013. Windows 8.1 was their then-current product. If you told me they were going to put ads in Tile Hell, I would have 100% believed you and/or asked “Are you sure they don’t already?” I think you have to reach back to the XP era or earlier for users to be actually incredulous that the OS itself would serve commercials.

      • andruid@lemmy.ml
        1·
        8 months ago

        Oh man the amount of hours I put in cleaning out the pre installed garbage on those windows 8 machines

    • WashedOver@lemmy.ca
      81·
      8 months ago

      I recall a time when Windows 10 was going to be the last release of windows. It’s was just going to be updated forever. I’m glad that they have returned to the usual every second or so release is going to be a unfinished half baked turd until we can really get things right in the following release.

      RIP Bob, ME, Vista, 8/8.1, and hopefully sooner than later 11…

  • LainOfTheWired@lemy.lolEnglish
    171·
    8 months ago

    It’s the best for a primary OS, but unfortunately you if you make apps or desktop programmes you will probably still need a windows machine, or a Mac, or both. For me I have a windows VM and an old modded mac for those OS’s.

    Though interestingly probably the best machine for cross platform development would be a new-ish tri booted intel Mac with Linux as your main OS.

    Edit: just for the record I use a Thinkpad T430 as my main work computer.

    • LainOfTheWired@lemy.lolEnglish
      131·
      8 months ago

      But yeah the way development tools like git just integrate perfectly into the OS is amazing, and the way you can get tools and libraries just by asking your package manager for them is invaluable.

    • gornius@lemmy.world
      71·
      8 months ago

      Why do you need Windows VM for developing GUI apps? Last time I used Visual Studio to make GUI app I almost gave up programming, because of how code-generation dependent it was.

      For C# you have AvaloniaUI. For cpp you have countless multi-platform GUI toolkits, same for rust, Java has its own toolkits (multi-platform), and finally you can make an Electron/Tauri app.

  • Darken@reddthat.com
    121·
    8 months ago

    Kali has become so stereotypical in my region to the point where it has become cringe therefore I can’t click the thumbnail which has Kali logo stamped on it

    No hate for Kali itself, just the npc’s in my region

    • SquirtleHermit@lemmy.world
      3·
      8 months ago

      Eh, I get your point, but I think that Kali’s edgelord “cool” distro factor has pulled a lot of folks into Linux who otherwise wouldn’t have bothered. And any win’s a win in my book.

      • Darken@reddthat.com
        2·
        8 months ago

        Even if they don’t know 99% of the tools shipped with Kali, it’s still nice that they got pulled onto the Linux wagon as a “cool” wagon

  • 1984@lemmy.today
    8·
    8 months ago

    They don’t even mention the invasive tracking in windows. Guess they dont want to upset Microsoft. :)

  • penquin@lemmy.kde.social
    41·
    8 months ago

    Good ole xda site. Haven’t messed with it for a long, long time. It is a good writeup, I enjoyed reading it, but why does the writer list RPM as a package manager? Isn’t it a package format, or am I crazy?

    • Aatube@kbin.social
      1·
      8 months ago
      1. You can change a lot more settings to make your development environment comfortable
      2. That’s not the point, the point is you don’t need to buy something new to run it (see: TPMs, mac vendor lock-in) and the entire thing just runs faster (see: Windows)
      3. Still, it’s better package managers that centralize your apps in the same places, contrary to update managers which still require searching for files a bit when you need to find them.
      4. Back-end scripting and management

      I do not see where the article mentions your summary’s points 1 and 3.

        • Aatube@kbin.social
          1·
          8 months ago
          1. The second paragraph of the first point is all about customizability.
          2. It is certainly noticeable on machines without much memory, though I guess developer workstations have enough. For me even with everything booting Firefox or Waterfox on a PC is still noticeably slower than on Linux with a walmart laptop (natively and unsandboxed) and booting + login till the same number of apps/services start is quite faster on Linux.
          3. Hmm, sure. I guess I conflated back-end development with managing.
    • Joe KlemmerOP
      2·
      7 months ago

      I’ve been hearing this debate for nearly 32 years. It’s a useless argument.

      The correct name for the # symbol is “octothorpe,” but how many people do you know who call it that? You’ll either hear it called the Pound sign (by us older folk) or the more modern Hash mark.

      The fact is, Linux is both a kernel AND an OS.

  • people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org
    56·
    8 months ago

    While WSL2 has a better overall performance than its predecessor, it’s known for hogging a lot of memory. WSL’s read and write times also take a hit if you try to modify or save documents to the Windows file system.

    What!?

    • auf@lemmy.ml
      111·
      8 months ago

      Programming doesn’t even need a computer, in a sense. It’s done on your mind and all you have to do is implement the idea.

      OS does matter if you want a better environment for coding.

        • auf@lemmy.ml
          41·
          8 months ago

          You can adapt to it, but that will never be a truly “good” experience.

            • auf@lemmy.ml
              1·
              8 months ago

              Windows crashes very frequently and the error is not easy to debug most of the time. You may need to restart the computer ( and you will get used to it ). Plus, Microsoft support forum sucks and takes a long time to answer just one question. It obviously isn’t a good environment for coding.

              Linux, on the other hand, is far easier to debug and Linux professionals can help you with that.

              Most of the open-sourced softwares are Linux compatible, so that will be very helpful for coding.

                • auf@lemmy.ml
                  1·
                  8 months ago

                  Why would you browse (if using win) Microsoft support forums while programming? Obviously it’s for hardware/software related issues, not much tied to your coding environment.

                  It is related to your coding environment. The term environment not only includes code editor and shell, but also the OS running those software, and the OS should be stable for a good coding experience.

                  Why I have to ask professionals for help in the first place? If I need help from 3rd party people in order to fix a bug in my app because of OS issues then something is very wrong.

                  You mean you don’t care what caused the crash and just restart your computer each time it happens? Isn’t that too inefficient?

                  Environment is how you make it. For example you can use PowerShell both on Linux and windows. The only difference is that some apps are not there by default or are unavailable and you have to look for alternatives. So there’s no problem in setting a whole environment from ground up on LFS if you know what you’re looking for. It’s all about making yourself feel in home.

                  Windows users will just stick with Windows not knowing how good Linux is. I feel sorry for them trying to get used to all the inconveniences.

    • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      10·
      8 months ago

      except when compilers and libraries have platform-specific quirks, or you are developing something that should run on a server

    • pastermil@sh.itjust.works
      92·
      8 months ago

      An editor? That’s it?

      No need to test the code? No need to see how that code behave with other components?

      Have you ever code in your life?

    • unique_hemp@discuss.tchncs.de
      41·
      8 months ago

      Depends on the ecosystem around the language - there are tools that just plain don’t work or work poorly on Windows.

      Alternatively you could try developing a .NET Framework v4 app on Linux, if the OS doesn’t matter (no, mono is not equivalent).

        • lukas@lemmy.haigner.me
          41·
          8 months ago

          Are you my programming professor perchance? Sure, if the mafia points a gun at my head and forces me write an IBAN validation algorithm in valid Java code on a piece of paper, then I’m happy to oblige. But when does that ever happen? Why use Netbeans with light theme? Why are you forcing us to demonstrate bubble sort with a Hungarian folk dance? Why are you recording us dancing? I’m asking too many questions. You probably put too much crack in your coffee today.

    • sounddrill@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyzEnglish
      11·
      8 months ago

      I attended a conference where there was an openvino demonstration

      The windows guys who tried to install relevant stuff, were met with a big visual studio download

      The macOS guys had it easy

      The only linux guy had an amd and couldn’t try it

      Ironic, since that was an open source conference

      Only 2 presenters openly used libreoffice