• occhineri@feddit.de
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    While I support every word you said, I am still not convinced, that the issue can be solved completely through prevention. Even though, during the last 200 years we’ve made huge progress in hygiene standards and medicine, there are still people dying, even from easily preventable or treatable illnesses. In the same manner, I believe it’s impossible to prevent all kind of psychopatic violence or malicious behaviour. Hence, the question that comes up would rather be: how to deal with the violence that’s still occuring? Are prisons or some other kind of correction facilities a part of a solarpunk utopia?

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      Imho Scandinavian prisons are a good example. I saw a documentary about an island where the prisoners can roam more or less freely, work and are reintroduced into society.

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      I am still not convinced, that the issue can be solved completely through prevention.

      Alone for the reason that families are different, and sometimes even move in other countries or continents.

      Regardless how great the overall system is, there will always be differences between families and locations.

      Some parents just don’t care, don’t understand, did not treat their own issues. Some children cannot escape that.

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      Utopia? No. An utopia would have solved that issue. But solarpunk proposes to solve a lot of other issues, while we deal with these remaining one as bad, or slightly better, than we do today. IMO prisons should slowly morph into mental health facilities. May not solve all the problem but would solve a lot.

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        My country has psychiatric treatment facilities as part of the judicial systems (ours is mostly based on rehabilitation, not punitive). The problem with them is that being send to one of them is indefinite, until one is deemed cured. Is that ethical?

        Ironically, this means that bona fide gangsters will often try to prove they do not have a mental health problem, because ordinary prison at least has a well-defined end date.

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          Is that ethical?

          Really depends on the rest: if the justice is fair, if the treatments are really treatments, if only people dangerous for the others are kept, then I think that’s probably the best solution we have today.

          Ironically, this means that bona fide gangsters will often try to prove they do not have a mental health problem, because ordinary prison at least has a well-defined end date.

          I see the irony, but I think it should be the norm. Mental health problems should not be used as a joker to get out of jail. If the system both helps people with a problem and prevents people from using it as an excuse, that sounds perfect.