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    Use an ad-filled browser controlled by a megacorp, with an engine built by another megacorp?

    Hmmm, I dunno

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      Even better. After you’ve explicitly triggered the default change MS is like “have you tried the all new megacorp spyware? It’s not actually new, but identical to the spyware we already installed and absolutely nothing has changed in the last 10 seconds since you made the decision, but we figured we’d throw another churn barrier at you because fuck you; we own your OS. You’re our product now bitch, and that’s all you’ll ever be”

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      Well, on the other hand, said megacorp finances the only other engine (Gecko, Blink being a fork of Apples Webkit), so they don’t have to bother with monopoly restrictions.

      Current web is broken.

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        I think they’re referring to the fact that Edge runs on the Chromium engine which, as the name implies, is a Google product.

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    Edge started itself on boot after a recent Windows update. It even had a little pop-up about how “helpful” it was to have it start right when my computer turns on so I can “get to browsing” faster. It’s never been set as my default. Uhg.

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      Make sure you go into the settings and turn everything off. It’ll run in the background and do God knows what even though you’ve turned off startup.

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        And then on next update go turn it off again, since they’ll enable everything again. Rinse and repeat for eternity. Or switch to Linux and be done with their shenanigans.

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        If you sped through edge’s first launch wizard recently it’s now scraping your browsing data from other browsers.

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    Well, I switched to Edge for work with the latest Chrome update (since internal apps were Chromium only), and was pleasantly surprised. It actually let me turn off almost all the junk, and is responsive in a way I haven’t seen in a Chromium browser in years.

    Safari and Firefox for personal use though, and nothing compelling to make me change that.

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      The performance is pretty on-par with other major browsers now, but it is the obscene amount of popups built into the browser that irritates me.

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          Once you set it up it’s fine, but on first opening you have to click through a bunch of menus (no, I don’t want to share data, no I don’t want to sync my account, and so on). In other browsers it’s a small popup in the corner which you can ignore, and just google what you wanted to google. In edge they’re fullscreen and you have to click no on each one.

          Probably a rather unique problem because I regularly set up new machines, most people just go through it once and never see it again.

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            You hit the nail right on its head! It’s pretty bad that there is no skip all option, and for some of them you have to manually uncheck before continuing.

            I’m in the same situation as you where I often work on fresh virtual machines, and so I see this a lot too.

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            May be worth building a default config to “install” for those setups; that’s saved me quite some time when configuring new/spare machines at work.

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          Same I’m a developer who uses edge as my daily driver and once setup right I love it

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            I use arc on my mac and it’s nowhere near as nice as that, but I like the side tabs, the way it gets out of the way when I’m searching, and bing isn’t too bad; I’ve actually used it a few times. Once I found a customizable start page I haven’t looked back. Again, for work

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          There’s the shopping popup that tries to find better deals or vouchers for products you’re looking at. It’s easy to turn off though.

          Searching the settings for “notification” does show others - a feature called Discover and sidebar apps seem to be able to send notifications but I’ve never seen either.

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      its based off of chromium, so one would expect it to be as fast as most modern browsers.

      its the annoyances built on top of them, and user privacy that matters in a browser nowadays

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      Same, I’m only allowed to use either Chrome or Edge on my work laptop, so I chose Edge.

      Librewolf on my personal laptop and Firefox on mobile tho.

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        Bonus for Librewolf!

        I love Firefox… But the listicle ads are seriously tacky and annoying. I do not want Pocket. And I do not want Pocket randomly re-enabled after a set of updates.

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      I’ve never had that happen. Either the US version of Windows is fucked, or people are bullshitting hard.

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          I think this has a lot to do with what license you bought. My old Win8 Pro key install has never had ads and shit pop back up or re-enable candy crush or whatever. One of our shitty laptops at work with a win10 home license I absolutely dread updating because there is some new bullshit nearly every time.

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        I had it happen once after a windows update. What it has done is put a shortcut on my desktop enough times that I wrote a script to check for and delete them whenever it does.

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        What is does do way too often is make itself my default PDF viewer. I’ve got Adobe Acrobat Pro and Bluebeam. I have zero reason to ever want to see a PDF in Edge.

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        There was a while there where it would default to Edge for PDFs and as a web browser after a update. Quite annoying for a factory full of PCs that I wanted to use Chrome and Adobe Reader instead.

        I tried Edge for a bit but stuck with chrome. Recently I’ve gone back to Firefox but I’ve not had one of those major updates yet that even tries to get me to log into Microsoft as a log in so it will be interesting when that happens again if Edge shows up as the default.

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        From time to time when you update windows it’ll show you a welcoming setup again similar to the first time you logged in. In that process it will try to convince you to setup some Microsoft stuff on your pc, including changing default apps, but it shouldn’t do it on its own.

        But sometimes it does. It happened once for me this year.

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        I’m still on 10, but half the shit I see people complain about with Windows I’ve never experienced personally. Maybe I’m just lucky? Maybe I just read? I don’t know, but I’m not having the same experience as a lot of people on here.

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          In general any bad thing about windows that it manages to fixes still gets commented about online for several years after the fact. For example: BSODs stopped being a regular thing in windows user’s life very long ago, but it took another 10 years after that for people to stop making BSOD jokes online.

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            Ironically enough, I actually did have my first blue screen in likely 5+ years yesterday. I was so shocked by it I wasn’t even mad, just impressed it’s been so long.

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    What does “built for Windows 10” even mean? It’s just a browser. It’s even cross platform.

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    Edge was a win when it first came out. It had its own rendering engine, was fast and svelte.

    Now it’s just another bloated Chrome clone overstuffed with privacy-invading marketing features.

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      Same story every time. Something good turns into shit because they need to add marketing.

      I’m shocked Microsoft hasnt fucked up VS Code yet. Someone much smarter than average is running that team at Microsoft.

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        Nah the future for VS Code looks dark imo. They own VS Code, Github, NPM and Copilot and everything they touch turns into shit.

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        It turned bad because a bunch of users refused to use it because they remembered never updating past IE8 and made jokes about it lagging behind the competition

        VS Code is the fucked up version of Code OSS

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        It’s because they make their devtool money off of enterprise licensing costs, and they get those costs by getting developers to be okay using their devtools.
        The tool is the advertisement for building software for Windows. If it gets too miserable to use the tools or build for the ecosystem, then some companies won’t prioritize windows software, and developers will prefer jobs doing something else. It’s got to be good enough so that decision makers at software companies don’t start hearing that windows software takes three quarters longer to develop.
        Web developers are already targeting their browser as an afterthought, and mobile developers are pretty pulled into to apple ecosystem, since you can develop android apps on a Mac, but you can only use a Mac to make iPhone apps.

        Without developers, applications lag, and they lose business and consumer market share, which costs them more developers.
        Hence: visual studio is fine, and they keep adding azure features to GitHub and tying it all to visual studio.

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    Edge is pretty good…

    …for downloading Firefox.

    I wouldn’t even use a proprietary browser if they’d pay me for it. Let alone a chromium based one.

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    This joke was funny when Chrome was superior, but now Edge is actually better.

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        I agree. But sometimes your pages won’t load with Firefox. For you and me it’s great. We can get around it. For your parents and grandma’s, it’s a nightmare.

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          ive heard of that, but ive never had that happen? stock firefox seems to load everything for me, but maybe its due to spoofing a chrome useragent, or bc i tend to avoid sites like that. librewolf with default setttings, or hardened firefox is admittedly pretty buggy for a lot of websites. i would say brave is an easy upgrade from other chromiums, for family members, but i still think stock firefox is alright for that too

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        I’m a WEB UX designer that helps with testing new pages and Firefox sometimes doesn’t render things that all the other browsers can.

        Firefox is great for privacy but shit is buggy.

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      Edge is my daily driver and has been for a couple of years. Seems faster than Chrome, but maybe that’s just my perception.

      I think these haters are hating because Microsoft. Or, they’re too ignorant to realize Edge is Chrome under the hood.

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        I wouldn’t have a problem with Edge if it wasn’t always running in the background, it’s quite spooky. Not to talk about when it gives me the popups to not change the browser, it is my computer and I will do what I want with it

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          Firefox always runs in the background on my PC also. I’m sure there’s a way to disable it, but by default it’s always there.

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            Sometimes you let some apps linger but edge is in the background from the beginning. And I’m sure you can disable an option in firefox but to get rid of edge the only option is the command line and erasing all of its files until the next update comes around

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              There is a setting in Edge to stop it running in the background after it’s closed (it shouldn’t do that in the first place, but this is at least useful because if you don’t turn off the web links in your Start menu search results, Edge can be triggered to open by accident from there and then continue to run in the BG after you close it).

              Still on Windows 10 and I haven’t noticed Edge running in the background on startup (and obviously I have it set not to do that in Windows). I’m guessing though that it’s possible it might always be on if you use Cortana? I always have Cortana off too.

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        Not sure if it really could be faster than Chrome since they share the same web renderer (chromium) but Edge is definitely better optimised than Chrome when it comes to memory usage since MS has a better understanding of how its own OS works on a lower system level.

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        We use Edge in our company for the integration since off of our users are on 365.

        On some hold outs that kept trying to cling on to Chrome, I just changed the beachball shortcut on their desktop to open Edge instead. None of them have noticed the change over a year later.

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        Isn’t chrome also based on chromium? I would argue they are equally bad, because both are proprietary.

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        When I see the current version of Edge I’m reminded of those bloatware-packed OEM Windows preinstalls adding useless toolbars to Internet Explorer, except this time it’s a sidebar.

        I’m disappointed, and when asked by people I recommend replacing Edge. Preferably with Firefox, but even Chrome is better.

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        It’s like saying Mac OS is just a Linux distro. It’s similar but actually pretty different when it comes to how it manages its memory.

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    Windows put a full page ad for windows 11 before my computer started, I’m never upgrading. Hope to God Linux gaming gets better by 2025

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      linux gaming is basically there at this point proton can run most games flawlessly unless you wanna play games with hyper aggressive drm or anticheat it mostly “just works”

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        As a linux noob, I’d say it 90% there. I got a new computer recently, decided to only install linux to see if I could dump windows entirely, expecting to dualboot eventually. The only problems I’ve had so far are Curseforge, MC realms, and One Shot. I’ve got Modded Skyrim and modded Hollow Knight working, I’m incredibly happy with linux gaming.

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          yeah I’m also quite a noob with linux I’ve only been using it for about a year and also dual boot my pc for the few games I have to for me it’s actually bethesda games mostly due to no mod managers on linux and I know there’s the workaround for MO2 which is what I use anyway but fomods didn’t work :/ I’m also actually playing through hollow knight on my deck at the moment though vanilla and that’s been working flawlessly as for curseforge dunno what you’re modding but if it’s mc I used prism launcher and that worked flawlessly way better than curseforge on even windows with that being full of bloat

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            Prism is life, I agree. My friends don’t, so I need a curseforge pack to distribute server updates with. The stupid part is curseforge has a working linux version, but it only does WoW.

            The other one is playing on a realm. The desktop solution is supposed to be the Win10 version, but screw that. I’d love to see a mod that lets java join bedrock servers, but they all run the other way. The solution is running the android version with a third-party launcher.

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          As Phuntis said, curseforge is easily solved with prism launcher. They have a nice GUI to browse modpacks and set up everything automatically. For mods that don’t allow direct downloads over the API, they give you a browser link you can open and automatically pull the downloaded files from your download folder.

          The launcher also has integration into modrinth and a bunch of other useful features. IMO the better launcher compared to the official one, even if you don’t play modded.

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            Love Prism, love Modrinth, still can’t make modpack updates curseforge clients can use. Since everyone else on the server uses CF, I need to build the modpack on CF then import to Prism for myself.

            I did see that making a CF modpack file might be possible soon though.

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        I still have many issues regarding VR games. Mostly related to the view being delayed from what I am actually doing, making me nauseous.

        For me, that’s one of the biggest issues holding me back from switching. I don’t want to bother to dual-boot OSes just for a few VR games.

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          ah haven’t tried vr too expensive for me and not enough space really wanna try it in future though alyx and beat saber look really cool hopefully that’ll improve soon with all the rumours of valves deckard headset and them dedicating so much to linux I mean deckard will probably still be tethered to a pc so it’s not a guarantee since most people will be on windows then but maybe it’ll come with improvements to vr on linux

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        Man, I just tried for a few weeks and just had no luck on the games I was trying. It maybe is there for most people, but I still ended up in the “google for commands that might resolve these weird crashes / errors” and building random packages from source. However, I tried on a gaming laptop, which have notoriously had worse support than standard discrete cards. I wonder if my experience would have been different with a standard PC. I also recognize that Steam is the answer for a lot of people, but I just don’t have that many Steam games.

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            I was on Mint and primarily using Lutris, but tried many different WINE runners. I would have tried Ubuntu, which I think is a little closer to upstream updates, but I only had a 4gb USB stick to install from. For games, I tried Horizon: Zero Dawn (which I finally got to open, but it was running 0-3 FPS), Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, and Baldur’s Gate II (which seemed to work). I’m not giving up forever, my next gaming tower will likely run linux of some type. I do lots of self-hosting on a Ubuntu PC, so I’m pro-Linux. Just ran out of patience with the laptop!

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              Interesting. Got Horizon Zero Dawn to work out of the box myself but I’m using Garuda. Any chance you’re using an nVidia GPU? They tend to be a lot more fussy with Linux than AMD

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                Yep, sure enough nVidia 1650 laptop GPU. I tried the proprietary drivers, forced so many versions of VKD3D and DXVK to try for better performance. Oh well, my next box will have an AMD GPU.

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      It needs a larger user base before companies will make the native version for it

      By not switching you play into a self fulfilling prophecy

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        In 2016 you had 2 or 3 AAA games releasing Linux native versions. Now you are lucky if you get a working proton version. Linux has moved backwards. Honestly I think people tried it and hit a lot of problems with it then left. 2016 was the year of the Linux desktop but it failed to capture the market.

        One of the biggest problems with Linux is simply additional hard drives. If you fill up your / drive you are basically screwed of you don’t know how to use the command line. Even the easiest Linux distros suffer from this problem. With windows I just reinstall programs to a different drive. With Linux you have to learn about symlinks, create then in the right spot and even then it doesn’t help unless you have a bigger drive. Alternatively you can learn about lvm and combine your drives in to one large monolith but this is even far more work for what’s it’s in Linux literally at worst a 10 minute fix and 0 second if you just install stuff to the right drives.

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      Genuinely no idea how Linux gaming could be better. I’ve been playing on desktop and Steam Deck for years, both “flat” games and VR games and it just works. Sure I don’t try literally everything but with ProtonDB I’m confident it will work, or not, and decide accordingly. Obviously not all games work on Linux but definitely more quality games that I have time for. For me it just works, I spend at least 99% of my time gaming on Linux actually gaming, in fact I can’t even remember when is the last time I tinkered. I don’t even have problems with GPU drivers despite tinkering with containers with machine learning. I’m not trying to say nobody has problems or dismiss problems people do have, just sharing my experience.

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        I think this is overselling it a little. I still run into issues with Proton from time to time that require sigkilling it and its children, and some games (especially EA titles) are finnicky and can take a few tries to launch properly.

        As for VR, SteamVR on Linux outright sucks. It virtually never works the first time I launch it and requires some combination of reconnecting hardware and restarting software and the computer, and it’s plagued with bugs (most recently the UI rendering upside down in the new beta).

        Don’t get me wrong, Linux has been my primary platform for some 5 years and my only one for the last few and I’d never dream of going back to Windows, and gaming on Linux has progressed unbelievably in the time I’ve been daily-driving it. But it still isn’t totally painless and there’s definitely more room for improvement in the coming years.

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      Honest question - what is the current problem(s) in Linux gaming? And I don’t mean that the way it sounds, I just haven’t done it in a long long time. I mean back then it had to have a linux specific version and you had to deal with X11 mouse input.

      Now with Wayland and things like steamdeck existing I’m surprised it’s not more viable.

      I’m sure it’s a long list but what are the main factors? Just a curiosity. Unfortunately I just don’t get to play games these days. Still GPU and sound driver issues? Publishers refusing to take the extra steps to make a multi platform engine work on it? Too many unknowns based on flavor of Linux installed?

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        Only reason I don’t switch to linux is because of both riot games and easy anti cheat(you can kinda play league of legends most of the time)

        but valorant’s vanguard is just straight up built for windows so you can’t cheat in their game, so you can’t even open that game in linux

        And 99% of games that use easy anti cheat are also unplayable (except elden ring somehow)

        Tbh I haven’t really played their any games that fall into this category lately, but I don’t want to have to install windows every time I get a urge to play league and tilt myself

        and I know that dual boot exists but I have a very limited storage right now (I’m only on a 480gb ssd since my hdd broke)

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          An interesting point… i didn’t even think about the anti-cheat engines nor considered they’d be bound to windows but yeah i get it, i deal with that on licensing services.

          I feel your pain on storage. It’s cheaper now but it’s all relative. I’ll save your UN and hit you up if i stumble into something that may help.

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        I’m not the guy you asked but I can answer for myself - it’s still not nearly as effortless to use for gaming as windows. I work with computers all day, so when I sit down to game at night I absolutely refuse to debug shit. For Starfield as an example, it works via proton, but the protondb page is full of “to get around X issue use the following workaround”, and I just can’t be bothered.

        I use Linux for work and hobby software development, but for me to switch my gaming pc over would require it to not just be “viable”, but effortless

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          Thank you, that’s the perspective I was looking for.

          And while i understand, it’s certainly not limited to games or Linux. I too just want things to work and it’s become a struggle for one reason or another. I can find a common thread on that but probably not the place for that.

          I am optimistic though that gaming will continue to get better and that will be helpful. Despite all the faults it’s at least going in the right direction.

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            I will say this - nowadays I have to figure out maybe 5% of games I play on Linux, and often times those games have issues with certain windows setups too

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              That’s actually pretty positive. Probably a multitude of reasons but in my very limited experience with recent games they are pushed out with tons of problems on any platform. Sometimes the game was just rushed out and this is what turned me off of games for the most part. “It’s online, we can just patch it later!”

              Also not a fan of paying for the privilege of being a beta tester. Open betas used to be fun times.

              That said, based on yours and others replies i think it seems worth it to dig up an old ssd and try some of my games out on Linux on my main. Honestly it seems way better than what it was years ago so I should go see for myself. Thanks!

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                Absolutely. It’s honestly the older titles that tend to work better as well, perfect for an older setup. A nice static target for the conversion layer. Proton was pretty good 3 years ago, now it’s amazing.

                Lots of Devs I’ve noticed tend to be happy to tweak things on their end to get something to work better with Proton as well, or if we’re lucky they just use Vulkan out of the gate and make it a very straightforward job.

                A good benchmark is seeing how steam deck users get along with that game. If they don’t hit any snags it’s a very good chance you won’t either

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                  Great info, thanks. Most of my hardware is old. But that’s actually a good thing I think. I have a Lenovo ideacentre i plucked back from a friend as it was gathering dust. I upgraded the ram and SSD and installed neon on a whim and it’s amazing.

                  That’s what sorta started tracking me back… have continued using Linux for servers but i was impressed at that desktop. Now I know neon is a bit bleeding edge so any recommendations on a distro? I started with freebsd back in the day, then gentoo for desktop, then Ubuntu minimal for servers if that helps. Not afraid to get my hands dirty but prefer simplicity.

                  I found a 256GB SSD that should be enough for some testing. I need to grab some files off it but then it’s ready to go. Distro advice appreciated. Remember i just want to test :) TIA

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            Definitely more work to set things up the first time, though

            This is ultimately my point - looking through protondb, it looks like all the games I play today work, but a good few require some workarounds, hacks, or just have crashes reported while playing

            Gaming is my escape from my day job of working on software, fiddling with configs and whatnot is really the last thing I want to do when I have free time to play.

            Don’t get me wrong, I’m stoked that gaming on Linux is improving so much, and I deeply look forward to the day that I can ditch Windows for good on my gaming PC, but for now its just the best tool for my requirements

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        My main issue is a lack of support from games like DCS, which will never get Linux support, and not having trackIR support, but I suppose that just needs someone who is experienced.

        Also I can’t play fortnite/cod and that’s what my friends play.

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          Hah I had to look some of that up. I bet I could guess your age within a couple years. :)

          DCS seems like a cash grab and travkir thing seems quite the gimmick. But i understand you wanting to play with your friends and so do they and they aren’t going to bring Linux support despite it’s likely built on it.

          Windows is essentially free anyway these days so you’ll just have to suck it up for now. You can disable things like realtime scanning for a performance boost. If you can’t make your own DNS try quadr9 to block a majority of the telemetry and shit.

          Being able to play with your friends is more important really. Just dual boot or use a VM to get your nix skills. I’m sure many won’t agree with me and that’s cool. There is nothing Linux can’t do, yet there are apps (or games) that will simply require windows to participate. Sucks, but that’s reality.

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              Sorry yo, wasn’t intended that way I promise! I don’t have great people skills text based or otherwise. And actually I’m the one that sounds like an idiot anyway haha In my defense I’m quite tired and seeking excuses to not be working so yeah, my bad, no offense intended

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                I get that for sure! I’m also a bit uh, trigger-happy with people online. I definitely get that feeling, though.

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                  Appreciate that but now I don’t know how to reply without sounding condescending… dammit! :) but you know, if you go back to 1995 bad boys that was how i communicated. Years later i relocated and nearly got killed for pointing out a funny and quite justified slight at a certain NFL team.

                  I’m not sure I have a point beyond stay trigger happy and call fuckers like me out! We all make mistakes and I have no problem being called out.

                  Shit, i still sound condescending don’t I? It’s just hard not to after a while. I don’t know if it’ll be Linux worthy but hit me up if you decide to try out borderlands 4. We’d be happy to have a new player in the group.

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      I switched back in 2019. It was pretty good then and it’s almost seamless now. Hell EAC works now and I can play Squad without any hiccups

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          Well, Elden Ring had a bug in it that killed performance, Proton was able to fix it without touching the game itself and resulted in Linux performance being markedly better.

          Then with Starfield it performs about 30% faster than windows consistently.

          I can force AMD FSR on any game (and I have an Nvidia card) to get a significant performance boost with no visually detectable loss in quality.

          The list goes on.

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        Linux is still only compatible with 10000 games on Steams 70000 games store.

        Windows is compatible with all of em.

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          It’s 12,000 and those are rated as “playable”. The majority of games on Steam would be playable out of the box, but Valve is being cautious with their verified program.

          ProtonDB has over 18,000 user submissions for playable games.

          There are many games in my library that aren’t listed as Steam Deck verified or even on ProtonDB and they just work.

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    Y’all I dislike forced browser adoption as much as the next guy.

    And I’ve been using Firefox for years and years and years now.

    But, I’m forced to use edge for work. And, as a browser purely, none of the anti-trust baggage attached…

    It’s really not too bad. A lot of things work just fine. And sometimes, if I’m having weird performance on a website on a personal device, loading the same URL in edge has resulted in improved/expected functionality of the website

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      Yes, when I have used Edge it’s been absolutely fine. Probably better than Chrome. I’d likely be quite happy to use it most of the time if it wasn’t for the fact that Microsoft are so intent on forcing me to do so.

      I mostly use Vivaldi now which I think is by far the best of the Chromium-based browsers.

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      with the amount of updates I think Edge is better than chrome now, but I still use firefox

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      Edge isn’t terrible at all. That’s why it’s such a risk to browser diversity and competition

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      Yeah the problem with memes like this is (according to market share) that there are people that switch from Edge to Chrome and think they are actually using a better product

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      I continue to use Firefox because I started using it a while ago and would rather not switch. I have to use Edge for school and it’s legitimately equal to Firefox in many ways. With Bing AI added, Edge blows Firefox out of the water.

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        The only reason Bing AI only works on Edge is because Bing AI specifically checks for edge. There was an extension that made it work on Firefox by simply lying about the browser, but Microsoft DMCA’d the developer.

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    I switched from Chrome to Edge and initially was really impressed. But then Microsoft had to go and Bing it all up. So now it’s back to Firefox after a 15 year hiatus.