liberate
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From what? Russia is invading. That is not “liberated”, that is “conquered”
Look, if you want to support an aggressive invasive force led by a dictatorship, that is one thing, but can you please stop being a pussy and at least just call the things as they are?
JFC
Why don’t you admit you support Ukraine’s Banderite fascist government which came into power in a far-right coup backed by the U.S. who picked out members of the new government in advance?
How about admit that the Russian population in those areas were being subject to ethnic cleansing before the war started? Why is your concept of honesty something that only applies to other people?
… Why would I admit to Russian propaganda?
Let me out it like this… If this really happened, then there are sources for that -nothing controlled by the Russian government- that can corroborate that with actual evidence.
So like Wikipedia says, <citation needed>
You’ve been on Lemmy as long as I have, so I don’t know how you can still pretend that there’s no evidence.
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
- Internationalist 360°, 2022–2024: History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
NATO expansion:
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine
NATO in general:- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
Honest question from a non-communist, based on your reply here. Does one need to support Putin to be a Marxist?
In a word, no. In a few more words, support for Russia (not Putin, as historical materialists don’t subscribe to great man theory) is only a partial, temporary, tactical one, in the context of imperialist liberation. Russia is still a capitalist state, though, so it’s a two stage strategy: first liberate colonized bourgeois states from colonizer states, and second revolution within those liberated bourgeois states.
Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US. So now the support for Russia is in the context of keeping the colonizers from recolonizing it, and supporting Russia to the extent that it helps other states liberate themselves. But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.
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You’re not exactly new here. Haven’t we been over this before?
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
- Internationalist 360°, 2022–2024: History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
NATO expansion:
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine
NATO in general:- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
Honest question from a non-communist, based on your reply here. Does one need to support Putin to be a Marxist?
In a word, no. In a few more words, support for Russia (not Putin, as historical materialists don’t subscribe to great man theory) is only a partial, temporary, tactical one, in the context of imperialist liberation. Russia is still a capitalist state, though, so it’s a two stage strategy: first liberate colonized bourgeois states from colonizer states, and second revolution within those liberated bourgeois states.
Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US. So now the support for Russia is in the context of keeping the colonizers from recolonizing it, and supporting Russia to the extent that it helps other states liberate themselves. But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.
This is what the headline of the tass article is.
I know
To clarify, I wasn’t so much talking about op as just the Russian government who made up that headline for Tass
“Liberate” what tankie nonsense.
Yeppers! Just the comment i’ve come to expect from a ShitJustFash user 😁
Y’all clearly never met anyone who actually lived and grew up in the СССР.
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If people don’t want to return to the USSR, it’s because the USSR was bad. If they do want to return to the USSR, it’s also because the USSR was bad. If you say USSR was good, you’re bad. You are definitely not in a cult
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but the vast majority are… Let’s call it not too nice
haha yes they are orcs amirite fellow racist?
You guys come down to make this exact comment every singke time the UKR regime gets pushed back. Don’t you get bored?
You guys come down to make this exact comment every singke time the invaded country gets more innocent citizens murdered. Don’t you get bored?
Well, not really. See, Ukraine is hitting Russian infrastructure hard. Hard enough that Russia will be so fucked again, for yet another reason. Russia, on the other hand, makes it successes using the meat grinder, you know, torring soldiers to their obvious death, and by killing boat loads of innocent Ukrainian citizens.
See the difference, there? That’s why I come here to tell you that Russia is the problem here
See, Ukraine is hitting Russian infrastructure hard. Hard enough that Russia will be so fucked again, for yet another reason. Russia, on the other hand, makes it successes using the meat grinder, you know, torring soldiers to their obvious death
Westerners have been repeating this BS for the last four years, recycling Goebbels’ propaganda. By now Russia must have lost 300% of their male population and 200% of their infrastructure. Meanwhile Ukrainians have a few hours of electricity per day and conscription squads scooping up old men. Desertions and fragging are becoming increasingly common.
This is like a reheated slop of propaganda tropes, surely you can do better than this. Next you’ll tell me the Russian army has run out of ammo for a seventh time, or that they’re fighting with shovels again, or that they’ve never seen a washing machine before. You people will believe any nazi slop as long as it caters to your childish pre-existing notions about " the orcs". So bypassing all your fascist cope bullshit: who have you got to win? Who’s your money on?
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Muscovite vatniks
Weird hitlerite no-pussy getting behavior, play fewer map games
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Yeah this is what I’m talking about, you sound like you’re about 5 seconds from bringing up skull shapes and Hyperborea
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Would you say that they aren’t european? that they are perhaps… asian?
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Like they’re Asian in a cultural sense? That rather than having a European mentality of respecting human rights (caveat: does not apply w/r/t genocide of non-whites), while the Rooskies have the “Oriental” mentality described by Gen. Westmoreland as “[not putting] the same high price on life as the westerner”?
