Pretty low to liken the Apostles to terrorists. The difference is that they created the story and witnessed it. The 9/11 terrorists believed Mohammed’s lie.
There’s a huge difference between being killed by the authorities for showing disloyalty to an autocratic government and committing an act of terror by killing thousands of random people to make your point.
Matthew would have been an illiterate Aramaic speaker and yet the Gospel is written in highly educated Greek, contains events that hadn’t happened yet, contains attributions of events that hadn’t happened yet, contains events that the apostle wouldn’t have seen, has mistakes about geography and Jewish culture that no Palestinian Jewish person would have made, contains direct word for word quotes from Mark, contains deliberately altered quotes from Mark to get certain results.
John is even in a worse position because he not only makes all the mistakes Matthew made he shows a theology that had not even been developed in the first century.
Luke is not a second hand account. He even admits as much when he talks about various sources. Luke borrowed from everywhere. Josphius, Mark, Matthew, the Letters, probably the Q and L source, and who knows how many oral traditions. He is a second hand account in the sense that if you heard me describe a Wikipedia article I had read 8 years ago would be.
As for Paul sure he had a vision. Dehydration, some bad figs, late onset schizophrenia. Take your pick really.
I partially agree. The apostles did create the story. Bunch of local legends and grifts. The only thing they witnessed were the bags of money Paul raised for them.
Paul only wrote half the letters attributed to him, John didn’t write John, Mark didn’t write Mark, Matthew didn’t write Matthew, and Luke didn’t write Luke. Of the 27 books of the NT only 8 are attributed correctly.
As for their supposed dying for their faith we don’t actually know that. That is all later church traditions. It’s certainly possible since pretty much everyone got murdered who the Romans noticed but we don’t have evidence that it happened to them and there was plenty of reason to lie about it.
We are talking about 27 books here, this would take me pages to go through. You got to work with me a bit. Give me one book/letter in particular that you really think was written by the person it was attributed to that isn’t the Apocalypse by John or the 7 undisputed of Paul. Want to start with Mark?
Apostle Matthew would have been an illiterate Aramaic speaker. Yet the Gospel is written in educated Greek.
Apostle Matthew would have been Jewish and at least somewhat familiar with the Hebrew Bible. And yet the Gospel only shows references to the Septuagint Bible. Check it yourself, not a single reference to Purim or the book of Easter.
apostle Matthew would have recognized the poetic structure of Hebrew where the last sentence is repeated in slightly different ways. Example “and he went to the city. To the city he traveled”. The Gospel writer didn’t recognize it which is why he doubles stuff, hence Jesus riding a donkey and a colt.
apostle Matthew would not have had access to the Gospel of Mark as it came out decades later in a totally different part of the empire. And yet the Gospel writer copied whole passages word for word out of Mark.
apostle Matthew would have been about the same age as Jesus and from Galliee not the Bethlehem or Nazare and yet the Gospel writer claims to know about events going on prior to Jesus’ birth including events with Mary and Joseph with no eyewitnesses
apostle Matthew would only have had access at best to stories from Jesus while the Gospel writer shows stories that were retroconned. This is why you have a scene where Mary calls Joseph the father that later translations tried to surpress.
apostle Matthew would have had no details about the events around the death of Jesus. How does he know what happens when Jesus is praying in private? How does he know about the trial with Pilot and what was said? And yet the Gospel writer did.
apostle Matthew would have had little to know knowledge about Greco-Roman or Persian or Indian myths and yet the Gospel writer did and borrowed extensively.
apostle Matthew would not have known Paul’s letters and yet the Gospel writer references them.
apostle Matthew would never have seen the events of 70 AD and yet foreshadowing of those events is found
apostle Matthew would not have had any clue about the proto-Trinity debate of when Jesus was elevated and yet the Gospel writer takes a firm stand on that issue
the whole attribution to him was made two hundred years later and not from even church tradition.
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
American Christo fascists trying to find the differences between the two pictures.
they’re the same picture meme
Pretty low to liken the Apostles to terrorists. The difference is that they created the story and witnessed it. The 9/11 terrorists believed Mohammed’s lie.
Removed by mod
There’s a huge difference between being killed by the authorities for showing disloyalty to an autocratic government and committing an act of terror by killing thousands of random people to make your point.
Removed by mod
They had great conviction because they literally witnessed a man’s death and resurrection.
None of them were eyewitnesses. The gospels were written decades and Paul old had a vision.
Removed by mod
No. Neither one of them were eyewitnesses.
Matthew would have been an illiterate Aramaic speaker and yet the Gospel is written in highly educated Greek, contains events that hadn’t happened yet, contains attributions of events that hadn’t happened yet, contains events that the apostle wouldn’t have seen, has mistakes about geography and Jewish culture that no Palestinian Jewish person would have made, contains direct word for word quotes from Mark, contains deliberately altered quotes from Mark to get certain results.
John is even in a worse position because he not only makes all the mistakes Matthew made he shows a theology that had not even been developed in the first century.
Luke is not a second hand account. He even admits as much when he talks about various sources. Luke borrowed from everywhere. Josphius, Mark, Matthew, the Letters, probably the Q and L source, and who knows how many oral traditions. He is a second hand account in the sense that if you heard me describe a Wikipedia article I had read 8 years ago would be.
As for Paul sure he had a vision. Dehydration, some bad figs, late onset schizophrenia. Take your pick really.
Removed by mod
I partially agree. The apostles did create the story. Bunch of local legends and grifts. The only thing they witnessed were the bags of money Paul raised for them.
Paul only wrote half the letters attributed to him, John didn’t write John, Mark didn’t write Mark, Matthew didn’t write Matthew, and Luke didn’t write Luke. Of the 27 books of the NT only 8 are attributed correctly.
As for their supposed dying for their faith we don’t actually know that. That is all later church traditions. It’s certainly possible since pretty much everyone got murdered who the Romans noticed but we don’t have evidence that it happened to them and there was plenty of reason to lie about it.
Removed by mod
We are talking about 27 books here, this would take me pages to go through. You got to work with me a bit. Give me one book/letter in particular that you really think was written by the person it was attributed to that isn’t the Apocalypse by John or the 7 undisputed of Paul. Want to start with Mark?
Removed by mod
Fine.
Apostle Matthew would have been an illiterate Aramaic speaker. Yet the Gospel is written in educated Greek.
Apostle Matthew would have been Jewish and at least somewhat familiar with the Hebrew Bible. And yet the Gospel only shows references to the Septuagint Bible. Check it yourself, not a single reference to Purim or the book of Easter.
apostle Matthew would have recognized the poetic structure of Hebrew where the last sentence is repeated in slightly different ways. Example “and he went to the city. To the city he traveled”. The Gospel writer didn’t recognize it which is why he doubles stuff, hence Jesus riding a donkey and a colt.
apostle Matthew would not have had access to the Gospel of Mark as it came out decades later in a totally different part of the empire. And yet the Gospel writer copied whole passages word for word out of Mark.
apostle Matthew would have been about the same age as Jesus and from Galliee not the Bethlehem or Nazare and yet the Gospel writer claims to know about events going on prior to Jesus’ birth including events with Mary and Joseph with no eyewitnesses
apostle Matthew would only have had access at best to stories from Jesus while the Gospel writer shows stories that were retroconned. This is why you have a scene where Mary calls Joseph the father that later translations tried to surpress.
apostle Matthew would have had no details about the events around the death of Jesus. How does he know what happens when Jesus is praying in private? How does he know about the trial with Pilot and what was said? And yet the Gospel writer did.
apostle Matthew would have had little to know knowledge about Greco-Roman or Persian or Indian myths and yet the Gospel writer did and borrowed extensively.
apostle Matthew would not have known Paul’s letters and yet the Gospel writer references them.
apostle Matthew would never have seen the events of 70 AD and yet foreshadowing of those events is found
apostle Matthew would not have had any clue about the proto-Trinity debate of when Jesus was elevated and yet the Gospel writer takes a firm stand on that issue
the whole attribution to him was made two hundred years later and not from even church tradition.
Let me know if you need more.