• PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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    15 days ago

    And this make entire movement, nowadays heavily supported by religious fanatics from more than one religion suddenly atheists? At most you could say it had secular roots. Again, i’m not saying religion caused zionism, but atheism also didn’t.

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      15 days ago

      Atheism 100% caused Zionism. It was 0% religious Judaism 100% Atheism. As you can read the German Jews fully opposed Zionism in its early days.

      The most influential ideology for early Zionism was Socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Zionism

      It was mostly by Jabotinsky who pushed Zionist Revisionism as a way to increase the amount of colonists that it turned into the weird incoherent mix of religious and Atheist Jews that you see today. And the Israeli-British pogroms committed around the Middle East to push Jews to go to Israel.

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        14 days ago

        Atheism 100% caused Zionism.

        What a ridiculous statement. Being founded by an atheist (if Herzl even actually was one - he was clearly non-religious, but many non-religious people are not atheists) is quite different than being caused by atheism.

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          14 days ago

          That’s true my choice of words here was not entirely correct. It should have been “Atheists 100% caused Zionism.” That might explain where the confusion comes from.