Religious group and anti-genocide campaigners condemn violent intrusion and baseless arrests Quakers in Britain have strongly condemned the violation of their place of worship by a gang of Met Poli…
Yeah so the UK doesn’t actually have any protections for speech, assembly, or protest. It barely did twenty years ago and successive governments have crushed whatever legal protections were left. The protections people assume they have can be rescinded without recourse at the whim of the crown. They’re norms, not actual laws.
Also, the Metropolitan Police are probably one of the most repressive police forces in the world and directly and fully integrated with the UK’s domestic counter-intelligence services.
Not surprising to people here I’m sure but a lot of these new “Counter Terrorist” units are increasingly militarised brute squads for the British establishment, too. Pretty sure they cross train with private military companies.
I would be shocked if they didn’t cross train with Israeli counterparts and are in dialogue with equivalent brute squads across the NATOsphere. The whole NATOsphere cop soup is deeply integrated when it comes to training, theory, and doctrine. They all share toys and study each others methods.
Most Americans have deluded themselves into thinking that words on paper can protect them against the barrel of a gun, so they think they’re free there :)
It’s no different from the UK, your “””rights””” can be revoked at any time should the ruling class desire it. No state is going to allow its fiercest opponents to organize and speak freely.
yeah it’s kind of insane that even in niche extremely commie leftist boards like hex amerikan brainworms are still so pervasive. weird american pride that rears its ugly head every so often
In many regards the US does have radical speech rights compared to much of the world, and often they are respected by the courts. That’s become much less true in the 21st century, and much less true in the last 5 years, but you can still say almost anything as long as you don’t directly threaten the POTUS or actually start organizing. We have libel laws but like compared to the UK we might as well not, the standard for libel is vastly higher than in the UK. There are a lot of laws on the books about sedition and dissent that, up til recently, weren’t a serious legal concern. What Trump is doing really has been a huge breaking of norms around speech.
Afaik on paper the US free speech regime is one of the most radical on the planet in terms of the limits of what you can say and write before the state comes after you, or you’re civilly liable. On paper.
Yeah so the UK doesn’t actually have any protections for speech, assembly, or protest. It barely did twenty years ago and successive governments have crushed whatever legal protections were left. The protections people assume they have can be rescinded without recourse at the whim of the crown. They’re norms, not actual laws.
Also, the Metropolitan Police are probably one of the most repressive police forces in the world and directly and fully integrated with the UK’s domestic counter-intelligence services.
Not surprising to people here I’m sure but a lot of these new “Counter Terrorist” units are increasingly militarised brute squads for the British establishment, too. Pretty sure they cross train with private military companies.
I would be shocked if they didn’t cross train with Israeli counterparts and are in dialogue with equivalent brute squads across the NATOsphere. The whole NATOsphere cop soup is deeply integrated when it comes to training, theory, and doctrine. They all share toys and study each others methods.
To be fair, where in the world do they actually allow people the regime loathe and fear to speak, protest and organise freely?
Most Americans have deluded themselves into thinking that words on paper can protect them against the barrel of a gun, so they think they’re free there :)
It’s no different from the UK, your “””rights””” can be revoked at any time should the ruling class desire it. No state is going to allow its fiercest opponents to organize and speak freely.
yeah it’s kind of insane that even in niche extremely commie leftist boards like hex amerikan brainworms are still so pervasive. weird american pride that rears its ugly head every so often
In many regards the US does have radical speech rights compared to much of the world, and often they are respected by the courts. That’s become much less true in the 21st century, and much less true in the last 5 years, but you can still say almost anything as long as you don’t directly threaten the POTUS or actually start organizing. We have libel laws but like compared to the UK we might as well not, the standard for libel is vastly higher than in the UK. There are a lot of laws on the books about sedition and dissent that, up til recently, weren’t a serious legal concern. What Trump is doing really has been a huge breaking of norms around speech.
Afaik on paper the US free speech regime is one of the most radical on the planet in terms of the limits of what you can say and write before the state comes after you, or you’re civilly liable. On paper.