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Sounds convincing, however businesses don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. For me to trust and support this content again, the investigation of the allegations needs to produce conclusive evidence. The whole quality drama passed to the background after Madison showed up what really went inside LMG
Either LMG admits wrongdoing and dishes out consequences to those involved, or they present verifiable and damning evidence showing no abuse occurred. Unlike bootlickers at reddit and ltt forums, I don’t side with businesses against people. If you live in this world and not in your mom’s basement you’d understand why.
If LMG comes out with “we found nothing,” “no conclusions could be made,” or something along those lines without evidence, then fuck them. Not good enough.
I vote with my wallet (and time), and I won’t deal with more corpo BS while abusing emplpyees. Before any smartasses come here with the usual “you live in society” crap. Yeah I can’t go live in the woods like a hermit to be morally right, but I can sure as hell drop a shit tech yt channel.
EDIT: taking another look, the second half of the video was more defensive nonsense. Basically claiming they aren’t a twitter sweatshop, they are the victims, and some heavily edited parking loot footage as “proof”
And the turnover rate is at best a shaky argument, One can argue since it’s mostly guys, they’re not gonna be at the same situation to be bullied, insulted and sexually harassed until leaving. It doesn’t seem the culture will be fixed anytime soon, so I’m just gonna stop wasting more time with it.
The burden of proof works the exact opposite way. You make a claim, then you need to support verifiable and damnable evidence. Not the other way around.
This isn’t a court trial tbh, and what has come forth from Madison’s side (testimonies, recording, consistency) is more than enough for me to put the ball entirely on LMG’s side.
No reason to keep giving businesses the benefit of the doubt when in many cases they have every advantage over the situation.
So just because it’s not a court trial means we should throw out innocent until proven guilty? The burden of proof is non-negotiable. These ideas have existed for centuries, they aren’t a purely legal framework.
what has come forth from Madison’s side
Which is, to be perfectly fair, limited to he-said-she-said which isn’t evidence. It’s just an allegation and very little can be decided from that alone.
At this point there is exactly zero useful information to actually derive any real decision from.
So just because it’s not a court trial means we should throw out innocent until proven guilty? The burden of proof is non-negotiable. These ideas have existed for centuries, they aren’t a purely legal framework.
I’m under no obligation to give LMG the benefit of the doubt, if I choose to abstain from watching their content due to the allegations, then that is my prerogative. My choosing to make a decision without proof either way doesn’t harm LMG further than the loss of ad revenue, etc.
Oh, sure, I mean, you are definitely free to do and think as you wish. Just pointing out how the burden of proof works, since a lot of people (not necessarily you) do not get how it works. Bertrand Russel, everyone!
ehhh, no; Colin and Taran repeatedly stated they never witnessed sexual abuse or harassment, and they can only confirm current claims are consistent with what she told them before.
If, hypothetically, Madison made this whole thing up due to some ulterior motive, don’t you think there would be other ex-exployees with mutual interests?
Just out of spite? Nah that’s not normal. If we were talking about some megacorp like amazon or blizzard I’m sure there were ex employees piling in with some lies too but it’s way less likely in a smaller company when we’re talking about just 2 other people known by the community chipping in.
Sounds convincing, however businesses don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. For me to trust and support this content again, the investigation of the allegations needs to produce conclusive evidence. The whole quality drama passed to the background after Madison showed up what really went inside LMG
Either LMG admits wrongdoing and dishes out consequences to those involved, or they present verifiable and damning evidence showing no abuse occurred. Unlike bootlickers at reddit and ltt forums, I don’t side with businesses against people. If you live in this world and not in your mom’s basement you’d understand why.
If LMG comes out with “we found nothing,” “no conclusions could be made,” or something along those lines without evidence, then fuck them. Not good enough.
I vote with my wallet (and time), and I won’t deal with more corpo BS while abusing emplpyees. Before any smartasses come here with the usual “you live in society” crap. Yeah I can’t go live in the woods like a hermit to be morally right, but I can sure as hell drop a shit tech yt channel.
EDIT: taking another look, the second half of the video was more defensive nonsense. Basically claiming they aren’t a twitter sweatshop, they are the victims, and some heavily edited parking loot footage as “proof”
And the turnover rate is at best a shaky argument, One can argue since it’s mostly guys, they’re not gonna be at the same situation to be bullied, insulted and sexually harassed until leaving. It doesn’t seem the culture will be fixed anytime soon, so I’m just gonna stop wasting more time with it.
The burden of proof works the exact opposite way. You make a claim, then you need to support verifiable and damnable evidence. Not the other way around.
This isn’t a court trial tbh, and what has come forth from Madison’s side (testimonies, recording, consistency) is more than enough for me to put the ball entirely on LMG’s side.
No reason to keep giving businesses the benefit of the doubt when in many cases they have every advantage over the situation.
So just because it’s not a court trial means we should throw out innocent until proven guilty? The burden of proof is non-negotiable. These ideas have existed for centuries, they aren’t a purely legal framework.
Which is, to be perfectly fair, limited to he-said-she-said which isn’t evidence. It’s just an allegation and very little can be decided from that alone.
At this point there is exactly zero useful information to actually derive any real decision from.
I’m under no obligation to give LMG the benefit of the doubt, if I choose to abstain from watching their content due to the allegations, then that is my prerogative. My choosing to make a decision without proof either way doesn’t harm LMG further than the loss of ad revenue, etc.
That’s the difference.
Oh, sure, I mean, you are definitely free to do and think as you wish. Just pointing out how the burden of proof works, since a lot of people (not necessarily you) do not get how it works. Bertrand Russel, everyone!
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Good thing that person’s personal “court system” has no bearing on LMG’s ability to do or not do anything.
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How do you present evidence that it didn’t happen without uploading months of continuous security camera footage?
I think we should first wait for Madison to provide evidence that it did happen
At least there was other ex-employees who did show support to some of the stuff Madison said
ehhh, no; Colin and Taran repeatedly stated they never witnessed sexual abuse or harassment, and they can only confirm current claims are consistent with what she told them before.
I said “show support to some stuff”, not that they confirmed any of it as witnesses.
I think we’re saying the same thing but I don’t like the way you phrased it. They didn’t support any part of her story, except that it didn’t change.
Yeah I guess the wording in internet is difficult. What I meant is that they stood up for her, even if they can’t confirm the things happened.
If, hypothetically, Madison made this whole thing up due to some ulterior motive, don’t you think there would be other ex-exployees with mutual interests?
Just out of spite? Nah that’s not normal. If we were talking about some megacorp like amazon or blizzard I’m sure there were ex employees piling in with some lies too but it’s way less likely in a smaller company when we’re talking about just 2 other people known by the community chipping in.
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