The “no foreign intervention” line is pretty nonsensical when the Nazis collapsed from foreign bodies entering their heads at high velocity.
Yes, it happened because they were moronically arrogant and started a war they couldn’t win, but there’s literally nothing more worthy of the term intervention than someone killing your ass.
The arrogance does not cause the collapse. The reaction to the arrogance causes it.
I understand and agree with your point that the arrogance is both their motivation and downfall, I just don’t agree that it should be phrased as arrogance causing their defeat itself.
The Nazis weren’t beaten because they were arrogant. The people they hurt and tried to hurt have their own agency, and it was their choices and actions that beat the Nazis.
That’s important. It takes deliberate effort to beat fascism, from everyone opposed to it.
Lol no. Check the link. The collapse began with russian winter… Cause most died there. This and just this was the beginn of the collaps. Your comment feals the pretty arrogang american way.
Before you think up something again. Yes, the Americans and Russians are partly responsible for the downfall of the Nazis and without their active intervention the collapse would never have happened. But without the mass deaths caused by the winter, it wouldn’t have helped either.
The two positions in this thread aren’t as opposed as they appear. Nazis did think of themselves as special boys. That’s why they thought invading Russia was a good idea.
There are sometimes counterfactual arguments where people say “what if the Nazis did X instead, would that have saved them?”. And where a lot of these end up is the realization that for them to have even tried it, they would have had to be something other than Nazis. If it hadn’t been invading Russia, it would have been something else.
Fascism is more fragile than it appears on the surface.
“Fascism is more fragile than it appears on the surface.”
It wasn’t just Jews who were killed. Of course there were those who thought differently and those who resisted, but they were also sought out in order to kill them. Moreover, such events can never be compared with previous events due to technological progress. So we see the future of drones in Ukraine and we see globally how much is being invested in AI. The means that can also be used for oppression are taking on proportions of progress that could mean the downfall of humanity very fast.
In America, they are now taking action against education, which is the most powerful weapon.
I’m a former Jehovah’s Witness, so I’m well aware of the other groups targeted by the Nazis.
As for technology, they just put on a display of how well they use it. Signal can’t fix dumb. This will always happen, and it will always be an opportunity to exploit.
Fortunately, the technology is still a long way from having access to all the knowledge via BCI. But I am a pessimistic optimist and think that if fascism takes over globally, they will want to trigger the boss fight as quickly as possible (since they love oil etc. and are against climate neutrality) and then everyone will die anyway.
Yeah just like the “bank run” on FTX wasn’t what caused it to go bankrupt, it was actually the owner’s hubris.
In much the same way that the fire didn’t burn the house down, it was the tenant buying matches four days earlier.
If you’re willing to go that many levels down to get to the root cause of an event you might as well say the nazis being humans is what caused the collapse.
So you’re saying that they believed themselves to be special boys and that the Russians were subhumans to be easily subjugated?
Thanks for opening my eyes!
The “no foreign intervention” line is pretty nonsensical when the Nazis collapsed from foreign bodies entering their heads at high velocity.
Yes, it happened because they were moronically arrogant and started a war they couldn’t win, but there’s literally nothing more worthy of the term intervention than someone killing your ass.
The arrogance does not cause the collapse. The reaction to the arrogance causes it.
Hitler’s meddling in military policy and fixation on impractical ideas had a big effect in hamstring ing the Nazi war effort.
It doesn’t matter how incompetent a fascist is if no one takes the opportunity to put a bullet in them.
They had everyone ready to appease them at the start, but they kept going.
The arrogance causes our reaction which causes the collapse.
I understand and agree with your point that the arrogance is both their motivation and downfall, I just don’t agree that it should be phrased as arrogance causing their defeat itself.
The Nazis weren’t beaten because they were arrogant. The people they hurt and tried to hurt have their own agency, and it was their choices and actions that beat the Nazis.
That’s important. It takes deliberate effort to beat fascism, from everyone opposed to it.
Lol no. Check the link. The collapse began with russian winter… Cause most died there. This and just this was the beginn of the collaps. Your comment feals the pretty arrogang american way.
Before you think up something again. Yes, the Americans and Russians are partly responsible for the downfall of the Nazis and without their active intervention the collapse would never have happened. But without the mass deaths caused by the winter, it wouldn’t have helped either.
The two positions in this thread aren’t as opposed as they appear. Nazis did think of themselves as special boys. That’s why they thought invading Russia was a good idea.
There are sometimes counterfactual arguments where people say “what if the Nazis did X instead, would that have saved them?”. And where a lot of these end up is the realization that for them to have even tried it, they would have had to be something other than Nazis. If it hadn’t been invading Russia, it would have been something else.
Fascism is more fragile than it appears on the surface.
“Fascism is more fragile than it appears on the surface.”
It wasn’t just Jews who were killed. Of course there were those who thought differently and those who resisted, but they were also sought out in order to kill them. Moreover, such events can never be compared with previous events due to technological progress. So we see the future of drones in Ukraine and we see globally how much is being invested in AI. The means that can also be used for oppression are taking on proportions of progress that could mean the downfall of humanity very fast. In America, they are now taking action against education, which is the most powerful weapon.
I’m a former Jehovah’s Witness, so I’m well aware of the other groups targeted by the Nazis.
As for technology, they just put on a display of how well they use it. Signal can’t fix dumb. This will always happen, and it will always be an opportunity to exploit.
Fortunately, the technology is still a long way from having access to all the knowledge via BCI. But I am a pessimistic optimist and think that if fascism takes over globally, they will want to trigger the boss fight as quickly as possible (since they love oil etc. and are against climate neutrality) and then everyone will die anyway.
Yeah just like the “bank run” on FTX wasn’t what caused it to go bankrupt, it was actually the owner’s hubris.
In much the same way that the fire didn’t burn the house down, it was the tenant buying matches four days earlier.
If you’re willing to go that many levels down to get to the root cause of an event you might as well say the nazis being humans is what caused the collapse.
I say that it was not the reason for the downfall of the Nazis. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/how-russian-winter-froze-hitlers-nazi-empire-its-tracks-190821 Education helps. I was in no way advocating it or anything else.