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    There’s this theory circulating that the whole thing was a trap for Ukraine and Europeans to say they agree to a ceasefire, and that they await Putin’s response. And if Putin responds “sure, and here’s my conditions” (which he did), and US says “sure, let’s talk about doing that”, then the Ukrainians and Europeans can’t back out without being seen as the unreasonable ones.

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      Maybe. Personally though, i think that’s too convoluted of a theory. I just don’t think the Trump team are as smart as people seem to think they are. I don’t think they’re that subtle or think that far ahead. I think a lot of this is just improvisation. I don’t think they’re playing 4D chess, i think they’re playing poker, with a very poor hand, and Russia is calling their bluff.

      That’s just my opinion.

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      then the Ukrainians and Europeans can’t back out without being seen as the unreasonable ones

      seen by whom as the unreasonable ones? isn’t this exactly what they already did several times with Minsk?

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          Where would these imperial citizens who believe that Russians are subhuman orcs craving white flesh hear about anything that contradicts that story? Certainly not from any “reputable” bourgeois media organization in their native language. Even if they did, what would it matter? Whether in the EU or the US, imperial policy isn’t governed by public opinion. There’s no neutral cosmic referee that’s going to be persuaded to intervene if one party looks hypocritical enough

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            Oh for sure. No question there. I don’t see it having this kind of outcome either. I do believe there’s a possibility that the Trump administration thought of it this way however.