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Saikat Chakrabarti, AOC’s former chief of staff, thinks the Democrats need a bolder vision.
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Saikat Chakrabarti, AOC’s former chief of staff, thinks the Democrats need a bolder vision.
Because while they may be different things, but they’re absolutely not separate things given how age and cognitive decline are correlated. Because for every Bernie sanders you have multiple Feinsteins or Grangers that are at best not there or at worst hindering processes, holding up committee votes or taking up committee seats that could be used by someone who actually wants to improve things instead of making the line go up.
Bernie is an exception who proves the rule, unfortunately.
Of course, degradation comes with age, but when I say they are still separate, what I’m saying is the degree of degradation is not exactly the same for every human being, but people judge ALL older people as having the same level of severe degradation, and that is Ageism.
Bernie is a proof of what I’m saying, that not everyone degrades at the same amount/rate over the same amount of time, and it is possible to have elderly people that are very sharp-minded and very capable of doing the job, plus having the wisdom of surviving those years and the knowledge they built up from doing so to be beneficial to the rest of society.
The prejudice of Ageism really shouldn’t be justified. Anyone over a certain age shouldn’t just automatically be thrown away, there are younger people who could have mental illness that are not capable of doing a job, so age does not directly relate to capability, physical and emotional status of the brain does.
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Ageism already exists in the system and we don’t have an issue with it. It’s just okay to be ageist against young people.
We say younger people are not mature enough for certain tasks, but I know plenty of kids who are younger than the required age but able to understand and perform the same tasks. Does that mean we should let 12 year olds have drivers licenses? Are we just going to ignore these kids because they haven’t met a specific age criteria? Or are we going to say that as a rule, they don’t have the mental capacity to have that privilege/responsibility.
We already have rails in place for older people to have their driving privileges taken away, at the very minimum there should be one for government work. You keep saying this is ‘throwing away’ older people, when in reality, this is removing people before they do not have the capacity to do it themselves. No one is saying they can’t advise, but they absolutely should not be steering the future of this country. Because that’s how we get to where we are now.
I personally don’t agree with this at all.
I don’t judge younger people by their age. I look at their ideas, and consider those before passing judgment.
Actually there’s a lot of times where I see young people doing something that I would first think “wow that’s silly”, because I’m set my ways (which I fight every day to try and not be). But then I would actually give the young person some trust and the benefit of the doubt, and actually support them in their beliefs, in a “fresh minds, fresh ideas” sort of way.
My idea is when one generation gets older that they kind of become the assistants of the next generation coming up behind them, and then we just repeat that cycle every generation.
Ageism at any age is wrong, but I’ve seen it practiced a lot more against older people that I have against younger people (especially online), hence my initial comment.
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You’ve side stepped the point I was making yet again to argue something else, but I’ll indulge in this one last time.
Your disagreement doesn’t change laws on the books.
That can never happen when the previous generation is unwilling to let go of the reigns and are determined to die in office of at all possible.
Ok, well I’m talking about what happens in the real world, not people screaming into the void online. Whether or not you hear more about it towards the older gen online, the real world is ageist against younger generations all the time.
I don’t give a wet shit about online people arguing when there’s objective reality to look at for real examples. Good day.
Not purposely so. You’ll have to elaborate more/better.
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Having said that, I wasn’t speaking about laws when I replied, but society norms/beliefs.
Laws segregating adults from children is a thing. But I wasn’t speaking about children, but young vs old adults.
So, voting isn’t a thing then (assuming we are both in a voting country)?
No matter what you say about it, ultimately, anyone can be voted out of office, even if obstacles are put in the way of that happening.
Democracy is only as good as the people who vote in it.
Sincerely would like to hear some examples of real-world being against younger generations examples. Might give me a better idea of what your opinion expressing is all about.
Again though, having said that, not ALL old people (or ALL of any kind of people for that matter) think the same way.
Life is a Volume Control dial, and not an On/Off switch. Its variance, its something that can always be plotted on a bell-curve graph.
And here you were doing so well, but you didn’t stick the landing.
I wish for you a great day today and every day.
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