• angrystego@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    Tradition, customs and emotions are stronger than logical thinking and morality in most people.

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    18 days ago

    I definitely get it; there’s a lot more separation between the average person and cows than there is with dogs. Many people keep dogs as pets, but few interact closely with cows. That definitely makes it easier to dismiss their killing.

    I think expecting moral consistency from humans is a bit of a high bar, as we’re well known to be irrational and emotional creatures. It’s probably better to appeal to people’s emotional side if you want to change their views, for example by taking them to meet cows in a farm and showing them how they’re sentient creatures too.

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      18 days ago

      Sure, we are irrational and emotional, but the whole idea of modern society is that we surpass those base level instincts into rationality and consistency. Consistency is still important and something that should be focused on

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    18 days ago

    Why is this about “the west”? Also what is a vegan who objects to eating dogs? Also what’s morally wrong with loving a meat animal like a pet until it’s time to slaughter it? We love all kinds of things that we know we’ll eventually get rid of - is that really wrong? So many questions.

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      18 days ago

      If I picked up cats at shelters, fed them, cared for them, with lots of space and toys, and then after a few months slaughtered and ate them, that would be the most ethical meat consumption right? It would certainly be better for the bird population than letting them go to homes that allow them to roam.

      So why does it feel wrong to pick up a healthy young animal that trusts you and slit its throat?

      I hope you are aware that more than 99% of all animals raised for meat have a very different experience to what I describe, and not in a good way. So even if the slaughter is not an issue, consider their life.

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    18 days ago

    Humans take irrational and even inconsistent positions? Really. Good point. 🙄

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      18 days ago

      What constitues as a pet is kind of arbitrary no? Me and my family has a field we used for sheep not long ago. Not proud of that but would it be cool if we put dogs there not bred for the prupose of being pets but for the purpose of being eaten? Besides there are animals that commonly are common pets that are considered okay to eat.

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        What constitues as a pet is kind of arbitrary no?

        Not really, at least as far as I know.

        A pet is an animal that can be kept around human beings, usually in close quarters, normally indoors, that does not pose an immediate threat.

        For the sake of conversation, I do not consider reptiles, insects, large felines or, in general, large animals as pets.

        Me and my family has a field we used for sheep not long ago. Not proud of that […]

        Did you mistreat the animals in any way? Starved them? Let them exposed to the elements or dangers? Or did you cared for their needs and health?

        Because if you did, you were a better caretaker than 90% of those I know and live nearby. Be proud of that.

        […] but would it be cool if we put dogs there not bred for the prupose of being pets but for the purpose of being eaten?

        Okay, so I’m going to dive a little into a book I read a long time ago where the consumption of dogs and cats in Asia was tied, to different degrees, to the traditional medicine used there, paired with older superstitions that upheld that by consuming a given animal, a person would somehow acquire their traits.

        For what it may concern, to this day, although it has been banned, in Vietnam, cat soup is literally called little tiger soup, and is sought after not by the newer generations but by the older ones, as it is believed eating it prolongues life and keeps ones youth.

        Not culture: superstition.

        By comparison, even in the darkest of times, in western countries, dogs and cats were very rarely seen as viable food options. Dogs were always seen as companions, as well as cats, although those enjoyed less favour by association with witches.

        (Superstitious bunch we are, universally.)

        One last remark: besides cats and dogs, the other animals we managed to tame throughout our history don’t really like humans. They either fear or, at best, tolerate humans.

        Besides there are animals that commonly are common pets that are considered okay to eat.

        Tying this with the first part of my reply: which are?

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            18 days ago

            No way. No way in this life, the next nor the next over.

            Pigs are not pets. Pigs are the only farm animals capable of receding into feral state in a matter of months if left to fend for themselves. And any pig herder knows taking a nap within reach of pigs is not safe.

            Yes, I am aware of all the cute internet videos but those are exceptions, not the norm.

            I kept a couple of potbellies to help clearing and digging a small terrain, kept them well taken care for, fed, sheltered, clean, safe, and one of systematically tried to bite or headbut me. Other breeds are openly hostile towards humans and some are borderline dangerous, especially around children and other small animals.

            So, again: pigs are not pets.

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              18 days ago

              Pigs do not deserve to be exploited and slaughtered just because they cannot be companions animals that you can have around the house.

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          By comparison, even in the darkest of times, in western countries, dogs and cats were very rarely seen as viable food options. Dogs were always seen as companions, as well as cats, although those enjoyed less favour by association with witches.

          That’s a falsely romantic picture you painted of western countries when dog meat is still regularly consumed in rural Switzerland.

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      18 days ago

      I think the worst, most despicable description of eating dog meat was the flat-out lie that Haitians in Springfield, Ohio were eating people’s pets.

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          18 days ago

          During the US presidential debate this year, Trump said that Haitian immigrants were eating the cats and dogs of people living in Ohio, Springfield.

          Which was an obvious lie that just brought extra racism against the people living in that town.