• redisdead@lemmy.world
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    24 days ago

    Why are people surprised by this? Do you guys not have refrigerators in your grocery stores?

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      24 days ago

      Raw milk gets bad after about 3-4 days, even with constant cooling. This period is way to short to sell it at grocerie stores in any big scale.

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          24 days ago

          Bo and it is in no way relevant. Since it seems like you think that what I say is wrong, I know this, because I came from a farm.

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            It is relevant. The quality of the food chain and regulations where you live play a huge role in that particular society’s feel about raw products.

            You’d be surprised to find that in some countries people eat raw ground pork as a normal thing and nobody dies.

            I’d like to know which farm you worked in because the fact you think so poorly about the food that comes out of it means I absolutely need to avoid anything you guys make.

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              It is relevant. The quality of the food chain and regulations where you live play a huge role in that particular society’s feel about raw products.

              OK, you got a point there.

              For the other part, you can trust me, that in a refrigerator milk will get bad after 3-4 days. If you cool it at about 2-3°C it is good for longer time(obviously), but I can’t tell how long exactly, because the milk never gets that old. As for Quality its quite interesting, that you make assumptions about it without knowing anything. I can assure you, that the milk has good quality. It gets tested every 2 days in terms of fat, germs, protein, and SCC and all of those parameters are always good.

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                And meat goes bad in the fridge after only a few more days but I don’t see you having a meltdown over butcher shops existing.

                In reality people consume raw milk all the time, it’s just some countries with absolutely garbage consumer protections where you should avoid drinking it.

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                  23 days ago

                  Meat lasts longer than that. I buy vacuum packed whole prime cuts of meat for about 10 to 12 days, that tastes as good on day 12 (out of vac pack for 2 days) as it did on day 1

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                  23 days ago
                  1. They’re not really having a meltdown
                  2. Meat is frequently bought in single meal/single serving amounts, whereas milk is frequently bought in bulk/multiple-serving amounts. Storing milk is a bigger deal than storing meat, because you much more frequently have leftover milk than leftover raw meat. The two aren’t really comparable.
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                    Do you go to the store to buy meat every meal?

                    Like do you only purchase a single serving of meat every time?

                    Wtf you guys smoking lmao?

                    You guys are trying so hard to be right you don’t even realize just how dumb it makes you look.

                    When I get milk I get a few cartons of UHT milk and then one bottle or two of raw milk that I drink first because I’m not a fucking idiot.

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              24 days ago

              NO NO NO raw milk bad! Alternative ideas bad! New evidence bad! Bad things bad!

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      24 days ago

      You see, in America, the milk cattle live in terrible conditions. Mastitis is common. In the US, you really have to pasteurize the milk to kill all the bacteria and viruses that end up in the milk because of the conditions they live in.

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        I can’t say anything about the general health and living conditions of the US cattle, but taking your word for granted its devinetively advised. If the cows are kept under good conditions and a good hygiene is practised usually germs in raw milk aren’t that much of a problem.

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          There is a video I will not point you to, because a hundred vegans probably have already, that show how sad and disgusting factory farming in the US is. I wouldn’t drink anything that came out of one of those depressing animal factories unless it had been processed to hell and back.

          There are better options on the market, but the average American is going to pay a buck or two less for a gallon from the milk factory. Same thing with eggs, meat.

          Conscious food choices are a luxury, here.

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          They’re forced to stand in their own squalor without stalls being mucked out. It’s cruel and disgusting.

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      Okay, whether or not raw milk is generally safe, why buy it when there’s an alternative that removes the pathogens?

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        Because raw milk contains everything, including all the fat and all the vitamins.

        Processed milk usually is first separated between fat and liquid and then the fat is readded. Also the pasteurization destroys some of the vitamins.

        More importantly though it just tastes different.

        Finally if you want to make yogurt or cream cheese, you want to work of raw milk because it contains the fermenting bacteria, but that is more of a niche application.

        Pasteurization by default does not remove all bacteria and probably also not all viruses. The milk you commonly find in supermarkets these days is not only pasteurized at high temperature, but also homogenized (pressed through a microsieve), which further alters the taste, reduces quality but extends the shelf life.

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          Finally if you want to make yogurt or cream cheese, you want to work of raw milk because it contains the fermenting bacteria, but that is more of a niche application.

          If you’re going to make anything from milk that requires bacterial cultures and the conditions under which they will grow, you absolutely do not want whatever random cultures that are in a raw product. You start clean and add the cultures you want to propagate. Source: ferments things at home

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            I was just giving reason, that exist to prefer raw milk. I only ever drank raw milk when spending vacations on a farm and i didn’t buy cow milk since a couple of years.

            Still i would like to say that i don’t think raw milk is a problematic vector for pandemics to spread. Chance is people will get the shits if hygiene is bad, but i doubt a viral pandemic to spread because of raw milk. More likely would be farm workers getting an infection over the air and then spreading it to other humans.

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              People who study viruses for a living seem to think it’s possible, but I guess as long as you doubt it, no problem.

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                  A source that it’s possible? You really need a source that something carrying viruses can be a transmission vector if it jumps to humans? Because I think you need to take a basic virology course in that case.

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                    For starters i find it unlikely that a respiratory disease is transmitted through food. Possible sure. But by the logic of “possible” rather than “probable” we should never leave the house again.