Thankfully, this hasn’t come up yet. This march in Ohio is probably going to be the smallest (10 people) but certainly won’t be the last.
As we won’t see the sort of blowback we did with Charlottesville this time around given the wildly different political landscape, this isn’t a one-off.
After discussing with other site leaders, this feels like the best compromise. Such art can be triggering for some, but open Nazism in the U.S. can’t just be ignored, and photos can be of more utility than text in some cases.
Marking NSFW or placing CW: in the title are both perfectly acceptable. We’re likely not going to remove anything if you forget to do either, this is mostly a post about being nice and accommodating where we can 💜
Things like this are very interesting to me, considering a lot of what became ‘Nazi rhetoric’ was learned from the United States. We did eugenics, concentration camps, the red scare, defining groups as inferior, fostering anti-other hate mobs with public lynchings and the KKK, as well as invading countless countries killing leaders and civilians alike.
Should probably mark posts that show American symbols as NSFW as well.
I like this. 👍🏼
We want to explicitly make a nice little corner of the internet where we can hide from racist, sexist, ableist, colonialist, homophobic, transphobic, and other forms of hateful speech. We want a space where people encourage each other, are nice to each other, are supportive and exploratory and playful.
We are all well aware there are Nazis out there right now, and text is more than sufficient to convey reminders of that.
I think it’s also worth noting that a lot of media pictures of Nazi/ Christofascist/ RWNJ marches use photographic techniques (e.g. low-angle shots) for dramatic effect to drive clicks, rather than a more direct and undramatic approach, and it’s hard to see that as anything but giving them exactly the kind of attention they want.
Charlottesville was a great example of this.
Likewise, one article about the Ohio march showed the Nazis through a cafe window, as people inside looked on, with the camera set low against a table. The photographer was trying to convey a juxtaposition of Nazis against people living their “everyday lives”, but if they’d just taken a picture of the 10 assholes at face level, walking down the sidewalk, it would have better conveyed the reality of them being a tiny group of Nazi cosplay losers.
“We’re coming to your neighborhood” is the message that Nazis want to sell, and media is doing it for them for free half the time.
This is self censorship.
I have nsfw blocked.
So, news of Nazis will now be lumped in with anime porn?
If you believe images of this is triggering, wait until it knocks on your door.
This should be visible. This NEEDS to be visible.
This has nothing to do with textual news about Nazis, merely the photos included with the story. I agree the news needs to be out there, but there are only so many tools in the box for Lemmy mods.
Since image thumbnails load in the main feed, NSFW is the simplest approach to allowing people who don’t want to see Nazi flags to continue being subscribed to the community.
To be clear, I don’t know how much of a problem this will turn out to be. There’s always more than one source for a Nazi march story, and I’m expecting the AP to be very judicious in the art it moves; it’s other sources that concern me.
But this is not censorship; it’s about keeping the community feeling like a welcome place for as many people as possible. All one need do to avoid the NSFW requirement is find a second source without such imagery, which is pretty easy.
Couldn’t they just use filters so we don’t have to allow porn just to be informed of the Nazi invasion?
Maybe let them chose to sanitize their version of reality rather than block it for everyone by default?
Your argument boils down to “I don’t care about anyone else’s triggers; you made a decision I disagree with, and everyone else should be forced to change so I don’t have to.” Which is not Beehaw etiquette. You are a guest here, and my obligation is to the Beehaw community.
This is far from the only instance with a U.S. news community. Subscribing to others without this restriction solves your problem.
Edit : a suggestion: maybe a new tag could be implemented that separates pornography and other explicit content of the sort from nsfw because of graphic or disturbing content. (I know this would have to be done at the Dev level, maybe you folk could push that instead of what is happening)
First off, I like a variety of sources and instances, I like this one.
Now, it would seem your argument boils down to people can’t take care of themselves. Can’t use the tools available. And you are completely dismissive of my concerns. To suggest I don’t care is … Something.
I get people have triggers. That’s why people use CW or Trigger Warning labels.
Making it NSFW outright blocks it from the majority of users feeds.
Sure, I’m a guest. We all are.
You’re just making it less useful.
You are FORCING users to have to view other NSFW things in order to be informed when keyword filters would work for those that need them.
So, those triggered by porn etc will have to deal with that.
I don’t see how this can work.
It’s ultimately an editorial decision made after consulting with admins. There’s no evidence to suggest the new guideline will ever have to come into play, so claiming the community is already less useful is hyperbole. This is a prophylactic measure.
I would go a step further and require a parent’s signature in order to view.
