It has been said a gazillion times over the last few months, but is it getting through to those who need to hear it?

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    Give it up bud. The veil is lifted and no one is falling for it.

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      No I refuse to support people that are pro genocide. It’s that simple really. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night knowing that I voted for that. I was going to vote for Kamala but I just can’t do it unless she changes her position before the election.

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        You hopefully won’t be able to sleep at night when things get worse because you refused to get your hands a little dirty doing what’s best.

        I don’t like to clean dirty dishes, but it’s got to be done sometimes. I’d rather it just go away, but the alternative is much worse. I recognize that doing nothing doesn’t actually accomplish anything, as nice as that feels. I have to just get over it and get it done before things get much worse.

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          Whatever analogy you’re trying to create, what you’re saying is that you are going to vote to continue funding genocide. Democrats have become the party of the neocons. Not surprising considering Obama would lock up the activists revealing that he US was killing journalists in Iraq.

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          I’ll sleep just fine because I stood up and was on the side of humanity and compassion, not the one that was so blind that they voted for the person that praises Dick Cheney and says how she’ll always support genocide.

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            Don’t worry. I know that you were going to sleep fine regardless. You’re likely a decently well off white person. It wasn’t going to bother you no matter what. You aren’t the people who you are sacraficing, and you’re OK with that. That’s fine. Don’t pretend like you’re hands are clean though. You’re a part of this, and you have the power to participate in a meaningful way. You’re choosing not to so you can feign moral superiority though. That’s cool. I see you though.

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              Thanks for assuming I’m a rich white man to fit your narrative of making genocide easier for you to support. And yes I do sleep better knowing I’m not supporting someone who has made it crystal clear that she’ll continue enabling genocide.

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                I didn’t say rich, but I’m sure you’re not struggling to survive. You didn’t contradict it, so…

                When the election is actually between two people, one of those two are going to be elected. One of them will amplify things, the other will not. I know which one I’d want if I’m a Palestinian. Luckily for you, you aren’t a Palestinian and you’re perfectly willing to sacraficed them so you can tell everyone else that your morals are so good and your hands are “clean.” It’s really convenient how easy it is, and I’m happy for you that you found this loophole. Meanwhile I have to sit in my recognition that people are suffering and I am trying to do what I can.

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        Okay… well, either way- at least we won’t have to hear from you all after November… so, enjoy it while it lasts I guess. We’ll all just see you again in 2028 when you push whoever is running against democratic choice.

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          I’m not going anywhere. You’ll be the one to not care about anything until the next election. BTW, it is funny you talk about the Democratic choice in this election.

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            Your “nO i’M nOt! U aRe!” has the same vibe as “I know you are but what am I?” Which is to say…. Cringy.

            And whether you will predictably disappear along with the rest of the idealist leftists that always do once an election is decided- will remain to be seen.

            I’ll stick around because I’ll have no reason to hide. If we win, I’ll be here celebrating with everyone else. And if we lose, I’ll be here blaming people like you…

            With everyone else.

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              Exactly… glad you admit, you’ll be blaming everyone but the person that was praising Dick Cheney and whenever asked about genocide, her first response is always… “we’ll always be committed to Israel.”

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                I don’t give a shit about Cheney. He’s a powerless blowhard. He has zero to do with anyone and no power to commit any thing to reality- aside from him supporting her over a traitorous dementia addled rapist he’s nothing to no one.

                … but you know this already, don’t you?

                And don’t think we all don’t see you people constantly attack Harris over her accepting support from Cheney, while being starkly silent about all the assholes that support Trump. And for that matter, anything at all that is critical of Trump.

                We know what you’re up to, buddy. You can stop now.