“With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.”

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          So how come you’ve got a line in the sand that you won’t support any candidate who supports Palestinian genocide, but that doesn’t apply to Ukrainian genocide?

          By your own logic you should be rejecting the Greens too.

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              By not voting Democrat, you’re enabling imperialism by all of the above. You’re actively working against your own professed goals.

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                  You should put this effort in convincing a Trump supporter to vote for Kamala.

                  That’s what I’m doing lol

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          You’re carrying water for people who say Russia had no choice but to invade and that Russia isn’t to blame for starting the war.

          These candidates are excusing Russia’s actions and not assigning proper culpability to the genocidal, imperial Putin regime. And you’re going to vote for them?

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              Third parties have gotten over 5% before. How’d that go for them?

              It’s clear that the current third party strategy of advertising via presidential runs is an abject failure.

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      neither Claudia, Cornel West, or Jill Stein are actively funding a genocide.

      Yes, because none of these people work in the government so no fucking shit.

      You’re essentially voting for Donald Trump, just remember that. You can try to rationalize it, but you cannot argue with reality.

      If you actually gave a single shit about the Palestinian people (that you suddenly started caring about on an election year, despite the conditions in Gaza being this way for literal decades), then you will do anything to make sure that Donald Trump does not get elected.

      If you want a viable third party, you don’t wait until 8 months before an election every 4 years to steal votes from the Democratic party. Until we do away with first past the post and/or the Electoral College, voting for anyone other than one of the two major parties is akin to not voting at all (or in many cases, an active detriment to the Democratic party, which is why it’s always such a no-brainer for Putin. Maximum social discord, minimum cost).

      I know that you know this. I just want you to remember it when Trump wins and by February Palestine literally ceases to exist. If you want to see this genocide kicked into high gear all you gotta do is: vote for Donald Trump, vote for a third party, or not vote at all… And then you too can feel like you’re part of the action!

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          But your proposed course of action clearly doesn’t align with your stated goal, for reasons that have already been pointed out to you. I don’t see you engaging with that argument. This leads me to believe that you don’t actually care about what happens to Palestinians; you just want to feel like you’re taking a moral stand. People that actually give a shit tend to care about what the consequences of their actions will be.

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              Whether that’s true or not, it doesn’t change the math. The world’s full of people advocating against their own interests. You still haven’t addressed the argument.

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                  No, it’s the logical and inevitable consequence of the action you’re advocating for. Just saying it’s “dumb” in no way refutes it.