Seen this shit before with Reddit’s most astroturfed poison producers: Monsanto.
“Glyphosate is so safe that you can drink it.” 
“Then drink it. Right now. With the cameras on you.” 
“I got to go!” 
“it was just water”
I have dealt with the Texas Commission for Environmental Quality. What I can say with absolute certainty is that it takes moving a fucking mountain for the TCEQ to do a god damn thing. Pictures of raw sewage covering a neighborhood development weren’t good enough for them to do any investigation because they suspected the pictures were taken while standing on the property, which is trespassing (there was no fence which is one of the basic requirements in Texas to be able to define trespassing). Raising the level of the entire property, thus completely changing the waterflow of the area? Sure, it was done for the express purpose of changing the waterflow, but unless an independent analysis was paid for by the neighboring properties TCEQ wouldn’t even lift a finger to look at it.
If Spacex is getting fined by TCEQ their violations must be fucking gross and extreme. Spacex sucks so fucking much.
I have been told, in person and offline, that any environmental destruction done by
is necessary and good because HUMANS MUST BECOME AN INTERPLANETARY SPECIES™.Yes. Those words. In person.
This shit better not establish a lasting presence in space.
You should go check out the Spacex glazing thread we had the other day, lots of folks getting into a lather to support the engineers who are enabling Spacex’s enormous environmental disaster so that they can lob short-lived satellites into LEO that will degrade in no time and contribute to pollution, launched on rockets that don’t stop polluting when they get shit into orbit but continue pumping out pollutants on their way down.
Liberalism? In MY Hexbear?
You should go check out the Spacex glazing thread we had the other day, lots of folks getting into a lather to support the engineers who are enabling Spacex’s enormous environmental disaster so that they can lob short-lived satellites into LEO that will degrade in no time and contribute to pollution, launched on rockets that don’t stop polluting when they get shit into orbit but continue pumping out pollutants on their way down.
I saw that thread. You might have wondered why I didn’t comment in it; it was so fucking radioactive that I decided it wasn’t worth giving my opinion in there if it meant picking up another superfan or two that might rage about me for the next year or so afterward.
Yeah I made a few comments and then just dipped out of reading my replies until today because the Elon glazing was so fucking thick. It was a mistake, I should only post in the newsmega with my people.
Scientism is a helluva drug. A lot of self-described leftists (and especially self-described progressives) have big blinders on whenever something sounds like it’ll make their favorite fiction books come a little closer to true, no matter the actual cost of whatever it is.
Scientism is a helluva drug
As someone that is very much into science, I agree. That’s why one of my favourite albums of all time is “Dear Science” by TV On The Radio. It’s very much a critique of scientism and a critique on the “corruption of science”, if you will.
If you’ve watched Breaking Bad
before you’ve probably heard this song from the album already, but it just sums it up perfectly.I saw this said once about “I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE”
types: “You don’t ‘love science,’ you stare at science’s ass as it walks by.”I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Sometimes I think I need to follow your example and disconnect from internet but my job is internet and I can’t afford to go live on a boat without internet access
Sometimes I think I need to follow your example and disconnect from internet
I wasn’t entirely without the internet while I was away, but I was very, very distracted with the early stages of my ongoing projects. Now that I have a bit more free time, posting here is habit forming and I sometimes feel like Lahey falling off the wagon again.
disconnect from internet but my job is internet
Consider having an inexplicable log in issue that makes it so you can’t log onto hexbear on your work computer. That’s what I do
Whitey’s on the moon came out how long ago? Pretty simple refutation of the whole idea imho
Second reply, currently got “Whitey On The Moon” at a lot of decibels
no hot water no toilets no lights, but whiteys on the moon
edit: how come I aint got no money here, hmm whiteys on the moon
Second reply, currently got “Whitey On The Moon” at a lot of decibels
Whitey on the Moon used to really piss off “I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE” Redditors to the point of many Youtube listings of it eventually shutting off comments.
Really vile cryptofascist shit too, like “enjoy your mud huts while we bring the light of consciousness to the stars.”
enjoy your mudhuts
I hate crakkkers and this type of racist fuckery. Europeans developed immunity to illnesses because they slept in pig shit in actual mud huts while throwing sewage into the streets outside their home that contaminated the drinking water. Like everywhere else on the planet figured out bathing and hygiene, but whites just wallowed around in actual feces. The Romans thought Brits, French, Germans, and everyone else in northwestern Europe were disgusting.
Here we are, centuries later, and their descendants have the audacity to attack other cultures’ infrastructure. A lot of the time, it was Europeans who destroyed everything. It’s really easy for them to focus on space when they stole everyone else’s shit.
a rat done bit my sister nell, but whitey’s on the moon
SPACEX DID A LAUNCH 
I hate when I hear the key-jingling kayfabe from people, including on Hexbear, where they start talking about the unquestionable magic of reusable rockets or “the mission” or whatever to shut out any and all dissent against the space treats.
Someone got really pissed in the past when I called a preoccupation with rocketry no matter its expense or its mistaken resource priority as space treats. Fuck that. It’s space treats, especially when it’s performative bullshit to get people clapping like seals, like that car commercial in space a few years back.
Yes, there were fucking “the mission” excuses for that too, like “it was just a test payload, it could have been anything, why do you hate science?”
I was absolutely this kind scientism enjoyer. When I was a teenager. Then I realized that the better world it promised is not possible under capitalism, it requires communism. Advanced technology is a necessary but insufficient condition for that kind of world. The social order matters too.
What a great fucking track that really gets to the heart of the issue, thanks. I haven’t listened to it in a long time, gonna spin up my Gil Scott-Heron flacs tonight
If you want another song critiquing the corruption of science, check out DLZ by TV On The Radio. I’ve already linked it somewhere in this thread.
Oh I’m jamming that now, got it on my deep storage
The whole album is a highlight, at a time in the mid to late 2000s when music labels were pushing a certain sound and aesthetic on bands (trying to turn everyone into some MCR pop punk scene clone, no hate to MCR I still enjoy their music, just hate towards the big labels), and TV On The Radio decide to do something completely different and drop one of the best albums of the decade.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Future generations will totally fix that.
Same thing with global warming, no reason to solve the problem now our kids will be smart and pressured by failing environmental conditions to magic the problem away!
Kurzgesagt propaganda about “Team Humanity WINNING if 1% of humanity lingers during a climate apocalypse” intensifies
Oh yeah totally, the agricultural scientist who survived in china will be able to walk to the chemical engineer who lives in Canada. They will then both telepathically communicate with the electrician who survived in Australia. Kurzgesagt fucking sucks
There was such a smug and probably deliberate absence of detail regarding what “team humanity” would do exactly to somehow bounce back under planetary conditions that had already killed 99% of the rest of “team humanity.”
Of course.
Seen that too, sounded kinda like wehraboo praising engineers of “superior german steel”
You took one guy who wrote a comment about how the engineers did great work despite working for a fucking ghoul and you’re now here spinning a story about how the thread is Elon stanning, its hilarious, if only people could actualy go and read those comments.
No, I took the aghast replies to me not being shocked and impressed by Spacex as Elon stanning, and people should absolutely go read that thread. Elon sucks and his companies do too and anybody who likes them is a chump.
Nah I hope he fucks off to space and never comes back. The thing is this fucker won’t go himself he’ll send other guinea pigs to go and get irradiated.
I am sorry you have interacted with “the tech community” and their bizarre claim of “long termism” but also hedging their bets and saying they don’t really believe that.
I think it’s something like the “Narcissist’s Prayer” where of course they don’t believe it unless their grifting stumbles on something that makes them hope they might become immortal god-kings yet.
I think they earnestly believe it and the real grifting is the “center left” facade they have so they don’t get kicked out of the polycule
Up until a few years ago I do recall
getting brought up, uninvited, in almost every left-leaning online community I can think of, usually under some pretense of “but what about ELO~N? He’s one of the good ones and (press release copypaste about saving humanity and humans becoming interplanetary species here)” I have met many of this one guy in person.
Me too, me too.
CA, especially around Napa Valley, was lousy with them.
What I can say with absolute certainty is that it takes moving a fucking mountain for the TCEQ to do a god damn thing.
came to say this lol. They basically exist to give a thumbs up to oil and gas companies to do whatever they want, idk how much shit spacex must have been dumping to get them to do their job for that month
It must have been extremely ridiculous for TCEQ to say anything, I wouldn’t be surprised if the bar is “the coast is literally boiling with rocket fuel” for them to say “hey maybe not”
I deal with exactly this kind of thing on a daily basis. Even if musk is telling the truth, which he likely isn’t because he’s a nazi enabling billionaire freak, he is wrong. Read on dear hexbears, if you would like to learn about water quality criteria and what it means for water to be potable.
Potable water is generated by taking raw water from the environment, treating it to remove contaminants/pathogens, and disinfecting it. Raw water needs to be clean enough that it can be cleaned up to drink. Clean enough means limited amounts of shit that can cause human harm (for example, heavy metals like arsenic or mercury) or taste weird (like elevated levels of sulphate) or be weirdly coloured (like high levels of organic tannins). All of the above are examples of contaminants that typical potable water treatment systems do not remove. Potable water treatment systems remove things like turbidity/sediment, some oil and grease, pathogens (bacteria). Once water has had this junk removed, it is only potable for a little while. If you leave a non-chlorinated glass of water out, it’ll start growing bacteria almost immediately, some of which can make people sick. As such, municipal water treatment also involves adding chlorine in sufficient amounts to leave a small amount of residual chlorine. Adding some chlorine kills bacteria that are already in the raw water, and the residual chlorine prevents them from growing back while water is traveling through pipes from the treatment plant to your home.
So, chlorine is a disinfectant. It kills bacteria and pathogens. Residual chlorine is in potable water. As a disinfectant, chlorine kills all kinds of other stuff too - pretty much all life is damaged by it, including the life that lives in wetlands (fish, amphibians, invertebrates etc.). Industrial wastewater that has been treated for discharge to the environment should never have chlorine in it. Potable water always has chlorine in it. Water quality guidelines vary by jurisdiction, but probably the level of chlorine in this potable water was 50-100 times higher than what is acceptable in an aquatic environment. The potable water discharged to this wetland was probably acutely toxic to aquatic life there (acutely toxic meaning it kills critters within a day or so of exposure).
So chlorine alone could have warranted this fine. However, drinking water is not the most stringent guideline for water uses. Humans are actually fairly tolerant of junk in drinking water compared to other forms of life. Amphibians for example are much more sensitive to contaminants in water than humans. As home to amphibians and other sensitive organisms, discharge to wetlands can require better quality water than standard drinking water quality.
Also I will post ppb at anyone who smugposts at me about chloramine
It fucking sucks that you have a clearly better grasp on water potability concepts than
ever did or ever will, but if you were anywhere near him and on his payroll, he’d throw a tantrum and fire you on the spot.If it makes you feel better, the majority of my job is being adversarial to industrial water users and owning them with facts and logic
I recently did drawings for a water filtration system for a sterile water supply for a hospital and its… Big (though not as big as I thought).
Currently thinking about my own water storage for camping
I don’t have much of a camp system myself. I haven’t been out backcountry for a while, not since my child was born. I used to have a little ceramic filter hand pump system that screwed onto a nalgene bottle. It was great. I also had one of those battery powered chlorine generator things that is the size of a thick pen. It was fine but not good for water that had any turbidity, as that required filtering first anyway.
I’m probably bringing city water for the most part, and will have excess electricity most of the time (I’m making a mobile solar powered workshop out of an old caravan), so I was thinking of installing a UV emitter in the tanks with just some light particulate filters if it ever does come to using local water (will still be careful, filter, boil, filter into storage).
What about chloramine? Seems like you don’t really understand it.
However, drinking water is not the most stringent guideline for water uses. Humans are actually fairly tolerant of junk in drinking water compared to other forms of life. Amphibians for example are much more sensitive to contaminants in water than humans. As home to amphibians and other sensitive organisms, discharge to wetlands can require better quality water than standard drinking water quality.
Not to mention, water that is perfectly fine chemically and biologically can still kill fish and amphibians if it is too warm. Many aquatic animals have very narrow thermal tolerances.
Its a $3000 fine, elon you fucking muppet, cry me a river.
Funny someone went to the effort of making it look like old twitter
He probably did a lot more damage to his brands by having another tantrum about than the $3000 would have ever been.
The government subsidies will keep rolling in, but still, even more self inflicted PR damage.
SpaceX is valued at 210 billion lmao
This is a payroll period rounding error for them
They 100% have at least 1 person with a solidworks license that they don’t need. That’s almost double the fine.
Wetlands are extremely fragile ecosystems and dumping even clean water into them can cause permanent disruption. Texan marshes are really special to me and every year they shrink, the wild life dies, and more of the land is reclaimed for nonsense like more suburbs.
Texan marshes are really special to me and every year they shrink, the wild life dies, and more of the land is reclaimed for nonsense like more suburbs.
I think for the ruling class, that’d be working as intended. They might even sell the solution to the problem they caused, like some quaint and twee “restoration” project that has 1% of the previous marsh acreage.
Every time I look back on his presidency I realize he’s an even bigger piece of shit than I thought he was a few minutes ago
“I’m not an idiot, I’m not going to drink that, but it would be perfectly safe”
Even if it was potable (it’s not) its gonna pick up and dump stuff in as run off
And even if it’s pure chromatography grade distilled water being dumped, dumping large quantities can fuck up the environment, especially in estuaries and seawater. Imagine a species that can only survive in salt water, having to navigate through a giant plume of fresh water.
King Bazinga knows all things science so surely he accounted for that, right?
Do you have any idea how egregiously you have to fuck shit up to get the TCEQ to give a fuck about the environment? lmao
I don’t live in Texas so I don’t know.
I’ve been to Texas a few times and the water there was distinctly, remarkably, frighteningly bad right out of the tap, I can say that much.
lol yea I have such an in built negative association with water from taps, when I see people drinking it in shows I have a jerk reaction like “oh no that’s not for drinking it’s just for washing things!”
I’ve seen what is passed off as potable water in this country, I don’t think he’s beating the fine with that argument
Texas has the worst water quality in the country already, so imagine how bad it is to get a fine there.
the HOA is spraying the area I live in with chemicals of some sort to do some sort of pesticide whatever, ick
I found this out because they had to send us something to let us know including a disclosure of what it is they’re spraying for public safety, and in that spot on the form it just says proprietary
Neat huh?
proprietary
Another coward invokes then flees the call of the Devil’s Milkshake
You’d think that milkshake would…
bring all the Boers to the yard.
Not the first time, either. And you have to know it’s fucked if Texas actually insists on the fines.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/spacex-polluted-waters-texas-regulators-rcna166283
“Do you think I’m an idiot!”
I wish that moment could be forcibly broadcast at high volume every time some Monsanto bootlicker smugposts on Reddit.
Remember that time John Hickenlooper drank fracking fluid?
There should be an anti-treats crew, my dogs in the actually hating capitalism crew are my only true road dogs
