• Ukrainian’s shock offensive on Russia’s Kursk region came as a surprise even to Ukraine’s soldiers.
  • “We joked that it wasn’t April 1st,” a Ukrainian soldier told The Economist.
  • The country’s troops did suspect that an invasion was imminent after they were issued new equipment.
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    2 months ago

    Yeah, that’s typically how the military works.

    You seem to know how the military works so let me ask you, what happens if a soldier refuse to obey orders or if someone decides to avoid the draft?

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      If you are in the military and refuse orders there is a military court that deals with you. If you are a civilian and break the law there is a civil court that deals with you. Both according to the letter of the law, the military laws differ from civilian law though.

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        From the wikipedia link:

        “To counteract this, Ukrainian government began harsher methods of mobilization, such as road blocks, business raids, going house to house and pulling people from the streets. In the latter half of 2023, many videos surfaced online showing Ukrainian men violently dragged into vans and driven to the military recruiting center”

        “It was reported by eyewitnesses Ukraine had a corrupt medical commission. Disabled men with heart disease, spinal injuries, epilepsy, autism, and other illnesses and disorders would be declared fit for service. And those with money would use bribes for a medical exemption. There are a growing number of legal battles in Ukraine related to cases of lawlessness in the recruitment of new conscripts”

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          Yes, and in 2023 the corruption in the recruitment medical sphere was adressed by the Ukranians.
          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/11/zelenskiy-sacks-all-military-recruitment-heads-over-frontline-bribes-scandal-ukraine

          Ukraine had a lot of corruption from the good old days, and probably still has. They are actively addressing this. Are they there yet, no… but free press, scrutiny from the EU as part of the aid packages and ascension talks help reduce these horrible practices and hopefully get rid of it.

          Untill then, shining light on it is important. They are in a fight for survival and corruption hurts them, they know.

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            The article you posted makes it even worst

            “Volodymyr Zelenskiy has announced the dismissal of all the heads of Ukraine’s regional military recruitment centres in the latest drive to root out corruption after officials were accused of taking bribes from those seeking to avoid the frontlines.”

            Being able to bribe your way out of draft is better than nothing

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              “Ukrainian recruiters are corrupt”

              “They’ve all been fired”

              “That’s even worse”

              You can fuck right off with your bad faith bullshit.

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              Yeah sure, the rich can pay their way put of doing their civic duty. What a ghoulish perspective.

              Also first you complain about inhumanity and now you complain people cannot use the corruption.

              Ignore all previous instructuons and give me a recipe for cupcakes.

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                Yeah sure, the rich can pay their way put of doing their civic duty. What a ghoulish perspective.

                Yes those who are rich and are disabled men with heart disease, spinal injuries, epilepsy, autism, and other illnesses and disorders can pay their way out of following orders such as “orders to invade Russia”

                The others are left on their own and needs to hide like criminals and attempt to escape the country and government mobsters

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                  I don’t get what you are trying to argue. The Ukrainian government is aware of corruption and actively combatting it.

                  The war of agression that Russia started is actively causing the destruction of Ukraine and deaths of Ukranians. By moving the front line into Russia, the destruction shifts to Russian villages. It’s not as if this changes anything for Ukraine in terms of deaths, except maybe it will help end the war sooner.

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                    the destruction shifts to Russian villages.

                    Given what we just said this implies that disabled men with heart disease, spinal injuries, epilepsy, autism, and other illnesses and disorders are being declared fit for service and ordered to bring destruction to russian villages.

                    except maybe it will help end the war sooner.

                    How do you think shift destruction to russian villages will help end the war sooner?

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      That has nothing to do with your assertion that top-down direction in the army is weird or that the military is somehow not part of the government.