• Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    Most of those costs are similar for renewables…rather than a building it’s the production and installation of fields of solar panels, for example.

    In both cases I’m pretty sure it’s a negligible fraction of the lifecycle emissions compared to energy generated.

    • CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works
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      1 year ago

      The problem is reliability, Europe sees more and more droughts building energy facilities that turn useful water into useless steam makes little sens when there are other options.

      Also nuclear makes Sweden dependant on a country thaz exports nuclear fule.

      And for solar the costs are shrinking and shrinking, the newest and most efficient panels don’t even need rare earths anymore and are recyclable. Btw Sweeden would be better suited for Hydroelectric dams and Wind wich have even less such problems.

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        1 year ago

        Might be a problem for landlocked countries like Switzerland or so but all swedish reactors are cooled with sea water which is not in short supply any time soon.

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          1 year ago

          Seaside reactors have other problems like rising Sea levels… Just putting some wind turbines up would not lead to another Chernobyl when something bad happens…

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            Fukushima had structural risks and wasn’t compliant with international standards. Modern reactors don’t carry runaway reaction risks. They just shut down in the event of a power loss. There is zero risk of another Chernobyl with modern reactors.

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            1 year ago

            Easily solved by building them one meter above expected future sea level 😂

            And wind turbines have the problem of needing backup power plants when the wind is not blowing. The whole reason for the energy crisis that europe have right now is because germanys backup plants can’t run as their supplier have their hand full trying to murder their neighbour.

            Wind and solar are great stuff. Puting solar cells on every south facing roff is a no brainer. Hydro- and geothermal powerplants only work where the geography allows it and are in these places also no brainers. But wind is a whole different beast. If you have a good way to save the excess power generated when they are runing then they are super. But right now, outside of repumping back water in to hydro dams, there are no good ways of utilizing it. That leaves at best 50% of a normal country’s power demand to be covered by either fossil fuels or nuclear. Unless you are a climate change denier then that choice is pretty simple. Nuclear is the only viable option if you want to keep the lights on.

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        1 year ago

        Sweden?

        Drought?

        Anyway I’m not a civil engineer or geologist or renewable energy engineer or anything, so I won’t pretend to know what the best path is. I’m just hoping they did their studies correctly and are picking the best option.

        But even if they’re not, it’s good they’re moving away from fossil fuels, whichever direction they move in.

        • schroedingershat@lemmy.world
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          Well no, that’s the thing. They’ve replaced moving away from fossil fuels now with promising they’re going to in 2045