This stupid country just lets people fucking die and get disabled everyday. I’m sick of it. My tax dollars just go to killing and dismembering people abroad. Fuck fuck fuck.

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    The same medical establishment that only recently admitted that chronic fatigue syndrome was real and not something women were making up for attention? The same medical establishment that ignores and gaslights those of us with “invisible illnesses”? (I’ve been told my disablity isn’t real by a doctor before and so have many others!) The same medical establishment that treats different races differently due to racist nonsense thats still taught in med school? The same medical establishment that does conversion therapy (torture) on autistic children?

    Good thing they’ve never been wrong or caught lying before.

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            have you lived with a chronic illness before mate. it isn’t that “science is wrong” it is that medicine as an industry is hilariously abusive, coercive, and fueled by eugenicist ideology from the onset. If you didn’t already know this then you’re probably part of the problem. Lol

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              That doesn’t make quacks like chiropractors or chronic lyme specialists correct though, the latter of which is the context of this comment thread. The medical establishment is correct in their assesment of chronic lyme not being a real medical condition. In fact, pseudoscientific fraudsters such as people that run chronic lyme treatment camps, prey on people struggling with chronic illness so that they can sell them ill-effective treatments, which leads to coercive and abusive situations. The medical establishment being clear on what is real and what is not is good for preventing these abusive or coercive situations from occurring. Thus people suffering with undiagnosed chronic illness can move forward and seek a diagnosis based on sound medical advice, instead of wasting their time getting treatment for a condition that doesn’t exist.

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                The medical establishment being clear on what is real and what is not Is good for preventing these abusive or coercive situations from occurring.

                They are not, though, because they are the medical establishment. The medical establishment also says Covid is nothing, and the CDC in the US specifically ignores anything to do with avian influenza currently. I am not sure what to say to anyone that is still propagating any of this as a reliable source of truth a priori. The fact of the matter of Lyme is inconsequential to the broader point: “trust the medical establishment,” (or “science” as is frequently used as proxy in these types of discussions) and given what I have lived through and know, I will be selective with this trust. More people ought to be.

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                  medical establishment also says Covid is nothing

                  US CDC; European CDC; WHO

                  You might not think it satisfactory but I’d hardly call it “nothing”.

                  and the CDC in the US specifically ignores anything to do with avian influenza currently

                  https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/index.html

                  The fact of the matter of Lyme is inconsequential to the broader point: “trust the medical establishment,”

                  well “lyme” it is explicitly the point of this thread

                  the evidence to support a hypothesis is not irrelevant to the hypothesis.

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                    You might not think it satisfactory but I’d hardly call it “nothing”.

                    do you remember what this looked like four years ago, and then in 2021, and then 22, and then 23? lol. I would call what they have all been doing worse than nothing. So I suppose you’re correct.

                    Whatever. I don’t care anymore. I’m done speaking to walls and arguing with people who haven’t thought about disability once in their entire lives.

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      Reminds of me of trans healthcare. It’s the Wild West in a lot of ways simply because doctors don’t give enough of a shit to “properly” do advanced studies of things. Like, we know the basic tools are safe, but a lot of bigger questions about medical patterns you fit, how longer term HRT might affect the body in one way or another, it’s a big unknown space, but a lot of doctors just shrug and ask what you really are and stop thinking there.

      Like even something that’s sorta becoming a common treatment, like Progesterone still gets slapped with like “unverified” smears, despite years of reports through the grapevine, because again they can be added to actually do official research.

      When I was closeted I heard some friends of mine at the time in med school joke about trans people, and basically say they taught absolutely nothing about them. Among other hurtful thing.