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    Weird. There’s a lot of anti China stories circulating this week. Like maybe they are trying to influence public opinion.

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        Shitty things like… Flying within China’s ADIZ that happens to overlap with Taiwan’s ADIZ because Taiwan refuses to use the median line as their ADIZ boundary like China does?

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      I find it more weird you brought that up honestly. News is News, post something else if you want more variety, nobody is stopping you.

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        Hi, you should come back and look at the rest of the comments on this post. Apparently all of hexbear.net is pro-China

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          They can’t see the hexbears because lemmy.world preemptively defederated with them before they joined the lemmyverse.

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        Just so you know, when you insult someone like that without explanation. You push them away from your position. I will now make it my mission to learn everything I can about tankies to prove you wrong. 😃

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        Capitalism and the neoliberalism that supports the aristocratic hierarchy funneling wealth from developing nations is destroying the world. But go ahead, focus on China while the housing crisis and inflation fuels fascism inside western countries destroying them from the inside.

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          it’s okay to admit both are true lmao. we can have developing fascism in america AND china can be a dictatorship. They’re not mutually exclusive

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            Developing fascism is the understatement of the century lmao the US has slavery enshrined into the 13th amendment. Henry kissenger is literally still alive.

            When white people do it, it’s “difficult history but ‘workable’” but when China superficially resembles it (taking Chinese history at face value), it’s “unforgivable capitalist dictatorship imperialist empire big brother”

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                There’s more to China’s political system than “just a dictatorship” but I won’t disagree with you that it’s not a dictatorship if you see one party rule as emblematic of one.

                What I am arguing is that even well intentioned comments like the one I was responding too still misrepresents history and is to the benefit of the American political establishment (that being Washington and its business oligarchs). The person I was responding too wasn’t blatantly wrong, but the diction at use here is deserving of criticism. “Developing fascism” is an easy way to conflate both the Western European fascist culture and aesthetics and the historically unique proto-fascist (before fascism was defined academically) culture of the USA.

                Neoliberal bootlickers like Johnny (“sell-out to the WEF”) Harris exploit this heavily to great effect on large for-profit social media sites: trading historical nuance for sensationalism. This isn’t a moot point it’s whats happening now.

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                  Fair enough. I can see how the phrase “developing fascism” might mask the severity of the existing and growing problems within the U.S. To be honest, I wasn’t really aware of such differences, and think that myself and a lot of other people could learn a lot from that message. I’d be happy to discuss what we both think of as Fascism to make sure we’re talking about the same thing.

                  But also, that wasn’t really my main point. I’m not trying to minimize the faults of the US or demonize the Chinese political system. I of course know that there are a lot of forces contributing to the state that it’s in, and that there are a lot of factors that keep it that way. And I’m not even especially criticizing the idea of one-party rule.

                  But the fact is that there are many, varied human rights and freedoms being suppressed in today’s China, and those problems have been perpetuated or worsened under the control and direction of a single dynasty of leaders. I’ve read and watched a lot of accounts of political events in 2021/2022 from people who live inside and outside of China, and I’m forming my opinions on those. Stuff like the inhumane conditions during lockdowns, constant nucleic acid testing, corruption and negligence leading to huge wastes in the housing markets, etc. And I know that a lot of these phenomena were spun up due to how quickly China industrialized as a nation. But too many of them were brought about under the direct orders of Xi.

                  So when people see criticisms of China being challenged, whether or not they disagree with the idea of a dictatorship, they see it as a denial that those injustices are happening. I think more productive than arguing with someone who you perceive to be misunderstanding something, would be to ask them questions, see where their misunderstanding lies, and to offer information or sources that could educate them or help them educate themselves. When you go into the interaction assuming that someone is trying to paint with a broad brush and accuse them as such, then you’re going to get a lot of people to shut down, and then they’ll never receive your message.

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                    control and direction of a single dynasty of leaders

                    What does dynasty mean in this context? Because Xi Jinping is not related to his predecessors in office. If you meant political cliques or political in-groups then sure? The CCP is not a dynasty/monolith and has over 98 million members. This is also to reference that provinces also have their own local governmental bodies as well. Plenty of criticism can be made for political delegation but dynasty-ism isn’t one of them.

                    The best way to help the Chinese people is to also understand why China is the way it is today, and understand one’s own role in this discussion. A lot of people are going to be shut down in these threads because these articles aren’t for us working class people. It’s for politicians: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/9/text

                    Fearmongering always causes damage no matter how many of us are have good intentions.

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              In other words what you’re saying is that because other countries do fucked up shit that means it should be perfectly acceptable when china does it.

              Seems awfully strange to try and normalize shitty behavior.

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      China discovered that Lemmy exists and sent their bots here, it’s so obvious! No thinking person would ever doubt Western media!!!111

      (Not saying that one empire is better than the other, yadda yadda)

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      There’s been both “China Best” and China being shady posts. We’ll never know for sure in this age of fake information. Might be that they’re trying to follow the Russia model.

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        Haha. You don’t even know what that means. Please, let’s discuss dialectic materialism for the masses. Revel in your ignorance.

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      Or maybe its because china is china… lol

      Theres also more heat wave/clinate related news in the summer than in the spring