eduardog3000 [he/him]

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Cake day: July 29th, 2020

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  • “These words we use that have a certain meaning aren’t actually what we mean.”

    I looked through the paper, I get what you are trying to say, but the phrase “healthy at every size” just doesn’t work. And neither does the insistence that being fat isn’t necessarily unhealthy.

    There are some good ideas in there. A reduced focus on weight and focusing on a more holistic approach to health can be good, but weight is still an important factor. But again, that’s not at all what the words “healthy at every size” convey. It conveys the idea of a very fat person having no more health problems than the average person, which just isn’t the case.

    But reading the paper I get the impression that they think there is not necessarily anything wrong with being fat. That fatness is perfectly fine. It’s not.

    lmao, here’s a particularly egregious line from the paper:

    The diseases that are associated with higher BMI also occur at low BMI. If fat-ness causes these diseases, why do they exist across the weight spectrum?

    “Lung cancer also occurs in non-smokers. If smoking causes lung cancer, why does it exist in both smokers and non-smokers?”

    And the story about “Jody” shows someone doing all the wrong things to lose weight. It’s not her trying to lose weight that’s bad (at 195 anyway), it’s the way she tries to lose weight. No shit 1000 calories a day isn’t healthy. And avoiding fat and carbs is misguided as well. As for 105 Jody, that’s a problem of thinking she’s overweight when she’s not. That may come from some social stigmas that need to be worked on, but that doesn’t mean overweight doesn’t exist, and it doesn’t mean 195 Jody isn’t overweight.

    one of the myths is “The HAES model argues that people of every size must be healthy”

    I didn’t say that. The model says fat people can be perfectly healthy, which just isn’t true.




  • All of those things inherently lead to losing weight. I wasn’t healthy at almost 300 lbs, even when I started walking. It was only when my weight was significantly lower that I started feeling better (still not healthy, but healthier than 50 lbs ago). Getting healthier coincides with weight loss. If you aren’t losing weight, you aren’t getting much healthier.

    If you want to reduce some social stigma around being fat, that’s fine. Don’t treat people like shit or blame them for their health problems or whatever. But to insinuate that you can stay 300 lbs and be healthy is complete bullshit. So the social goal should be to replace negative stigma with positive social encouragement and support towards losing weight and becoming healthier. Not to just act like being fat is perfectly fine in every possible way, including medical.


  • I know being fat is inherently unhealthy. I am unhealthy and so is every fat person I know. “Healthy at Every Size” is complete bs.

    You might be able to keep yourself relatively healthy for your weight, but being fat is still inherently unhealthy. Whatever you do to stay “healthy” while fat would be easier to accomplish and work even better while at a normal weight.

    I managed to lose ~50 pounds from my walk to work over the course of 2019 (still fat though, and that loss stopped in 2020 for obvious reasons). Even without changing my diet at all, I started feeling much better because of it.

    it’s difficult to say what is obese and what isn’t, as body fat is distributed differently across races, body types etc

    Yeah it’s difficult to set a hard bottom line for obesity, and it can differ greatly depending on a number of factors, but that doesn’t mean obesity isn’t real or that it’s some completely arbitrary thing that should just be dismissed.




  • You could argue that since it’s illegal, victims who are already adults will be afraid to come forward since it was technically illegal for them too once they became adults.

    But like I said, the compromise is making only same generation incest legal, or making a certain age difference illegal so stuff like siblings and cousins where it’s a lot less likely to be grooming are fine.



  • Abuse is abuse. It’s not consensual, and would still be treated as such. We have the same policy for workplaces, schools, and prisons like you said.

    If most cases are abuse then those cases will still be illegal, but because they are abuse, not because they are incest.

    A sort of compromise could be keeping inter-generational incest illegal, but not same generation. But still, setting the illegality criteria at actual abuse makes more sense to me.