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The person that didn’t know what ‘data’ meant is in an awfully glass house throwing words like ‘stupid’ around.

Yawn. I’ve told you what would convince me otherwise. You can provide it at anytime, and I’ll change my opinion. Because apparently, it’s stupid people that form their opinions based on data.

Or, you can keep running defence for the epstein class with this silly culture war nonsense.

Then you retreat back to distracting from the Epstein class robbing you blind. No, I’m not falling for your, culture war, outrage nonsense. Take it to someone more gullible. You want to discuss an actual, and measurable problem in the UK? Wealth inequality is right there. Let’s talk about actual problems facing our country, or are you going to continue to run cover for the Epstein class?

Oh look more right-epstein class connections

You have shown you do not care about discrimination based on ethnicity. You have shown you do not care about deadly weapons. You have shown your ‘just one is enough’ was empty grandstanding, or worse targeted against Sikhs. You do not care about political murders. You are incapable of discussing anything in good faith.

I do not care that Sikhs have kirpans, I have expressed that many times. I’ve told you what would convince me otherwise, because I am convincable. You are welcome to convince me otherwise at any time.

Tell me, did you just learn what ‘data’ meant today?

Do u realize you said that in the litteral convo that is about a murder made by a kirpan ? what data do u need ?.

I am sorry for this, data is not one case. Data is a collection of information used to inform decisions. Look at the report I linked showing discrimination from british police, you see how it’s informed by more than a single case? I thought you knew what ‘data’ was, that’s my bad. Singular is datum, I really wish the right wing would assimilate and learn English.

If we’re going by single cases, Jo Cox would have justified us pushing every right wing person into the sea. That’s bad right, you understand how knee jerking over one case is bad?

Oh look, ‘just one is enough’. Not for you, not really.

If anyone wanted any more proof of how disingenuous you are: I have repeatedly told you what would convince me, you haven’t done the same.

Gain saying isn’t an argument

I’ve told you what would convince me: show me data that kirpans, in particular, are a problem murder weapon in the UK. I’m waiting, you can do it at any time. The power to convince me is in your hands, you just refuse to do it.

That’s a reasonable ask I think. I believe the UK does have an issue of discrimination based on ethnicity due to data. Makes sense to apply the same standard to kirpans.

All you said was something related to epstein that isnt even the subject. You also said it was a right wing

That’s right, I did say it was a distraction by the Epstein class to distract you. Oh boy have they got you distracted.

I then showed you what you’re being distracted from.

It’s a common MO. That’s why Farage, with significant ties to the Epstein class, is banging on about it. It’s why the media, owned by the Epstein class, is banging on about it.

Look, we aren’t getting anywhere. You have your outrage that I don’t think is convincing. I have my data, that you don’t think is convincing. Ultimate

‘Just one is enough’ when it comes to Sikhs, but no one, and nothing else it seems.

Care to explain that little bit of bias? ‘Just one is enough’, just shows how selectively outraged you are. For example 12 people were murdered using firearms in 2025… Just one is enough… No outrage.

You can’t lean on ‘state discrimination’, we already established you don’t really give two shits about state discrimination. You can’t lean on ‘deadly weapons’, we already established you don’t really give two shits about deadly weapons.

I have no idea how you can justify something being obviously bad cause it doesnt correspond to your arbitrary criteria.

… I don’t know what to tell you: you have your outrage, and I’m not convinced by your outrage.

Show me meaningful data that kirpans, in particular, are a problem and I’ll be convinced. I’ve shown you how to convince me, you can do it at any time.

Your turn, what would convince you that the Epstein class are just boosting this story so you’re annoyed at Sikhs and not them? Is it that Farage is connected to Trump (of epstein fame) and Farage is boosting this story?

lmao u can claim anything isnt a real concern cause it s not the epstein class ?

That’s how burden of proof works. If you want to claim something is a problem you have to prove it: with proof. That’s why I linked to an article discussing an actual report about actual and measurable discrimination in the police force. That’s why I linked to an actual article showing the right don’t really care about weapons, they carry them when they want. That’s why I linked to an actual article showing you the Epstein class are robbing you blind.

You can tell me you are outraged all you want. Show me an actual study that says kirpans, in particular, are used for stabbings all over the land.

can i do the same regarding other topics ?

Me: you’re selectively outraged here’s how, here’s why.

You: can I be selectively outraged about other topics?

I’m sure you can, I’m sure you are. You’ll be outraged by whatever the Epstein class tells you to be outraged about.

Why u dont answer my simple question ?

I told you, this isn’t a serious question asked by a serious person, discussing a serious problem. It’s a distraction from the Epstein class robbing you blind.

You don’t really care about police actions, else your discussion would be very different. You don’t really care about people carrying weapons, else your discussion would be very different. Edit, I said you here, I meant the right at large. In sure you do, you’re very outraged in this moment, it’s been happening for decades, to other people, but you’re outraged right now, in this moment.

It s outrageous to have an exception regarding permit to carry weapon whatever religion involved.

You can be outraged by whatever you want. Well, you can be outraged by whatever the Epstein class wants you to be outraged by. You are, beautifully distracted as they pilfer your pockets. Feeling poorer recently? The rich aren’t, where do you think they got that money?

Why you think I should be ok with that ?

Because it’s literally not a measurable problem. Take it to someone more gullible.

‘So you think’ is almost always followed by disingenuous arguments, no change here. I like to focus on real, measurable problems, not knee jerk whenever some rich cunt wants to distract me. Why are you so selectively outraged?

Selectively outraged by police actions. Selectively outraged by who is carrying weapons. You should think about why you’re so easy to manipulate. Take it someone more gullible.

You’re right. The state does literally discriminate based on ethnicity.

The right don’t care about carrying weapons. In fact they love carrying weapons.

Take your selective outrage to someone more gullible. You’re distracting from the epstein class robbing us blind.

So yeah, I’m fine with it. Show me facts that kirpan stabbings are a problem in the uk, they’re not.

Think of the alternative? Person uses a tool, tool does what they want, they go about their day.

What are they shouting from the rooftops? Gemini is running my herb garden, my herbs haven’t died yet! This is true: plant selection, pot selection, substrate, feeding/watering routine and troubleshooting is all managed by AI… Gardening isn’t a skill I care to aquire, I just want the herbs. I’ll often use it as a rubber duck to cover basic trouble shooting of my homelab, sometimes it figures out the problem, often it doesn’t but I’ll figure it out myself, keeping me off the forums.

Sure there is going to be shills screaming that their particular spanner cures cancer, or whatever, but the rest of us just use spanners and think/say nothing of it.

I’m sympathetic to the anti-capitalist arguments levied against AI, but only the anti-cap ones and only because they’re anti-cap. They’re right, capitalism does over exploit an environment causing climate change, droughts etd. They’re right, capitalism is unethical. They’re right capitalism does steal the value workers create. None of these problems are unique to AI (Nestle was stealing water long before AI), none of these problems are necessary for AI.

Ok, but why would you?

Kirpan stabbings pale in comparison to other forms of stabbing. It’s just dumb reactionary shit. I’m tired of dumb reactionary shit, can we talk about wealth inequality yet?

What I dislike about it is the infantilising of our own governments and the conspiratorial nature of the accusations. Also, anyone using white-nationalist talking points deserves to be side-eyed untill they prove otherwise

Infantilising: Our governments are quite capable of being shit on their own. Them taking bribes and acting accordingly is not an argument they are occupied. They aren’t being forced to do these things, they’re choosing to do these things because they’re paid to. No one says their government is occupied by BP, or Marlborough, it’s called ‘corruption’. This, I think, is my strongest point. This seeming double standard that when it comes to Zionism they call it ‘occupied’, but for other forms of bribes it’s just corruption. America wasn’t labeled ‘Russian occupied’ while trump was acting in their interests. Corruption not occupation is more explanatory so a better insight of how our governments will/behave/d. You kick out AIPAC, good job you treated a symptom of the disease but America is still sick. Everywhere, in every argument, you’ll see people distracting from the Epstein class, zog is merely one of them.

Conspiratorial nature: life isn’t as simple as one puppet master pulling the strings. Our governments are a series of individuals acting accordingly, this tendency to over simplify leads people to - gestures at other conspiracies. This is my weakest point it’s I’ll defined and thought through. The ZOG conspiracy just ‘feels’ wrong no matter who is saying it, I’m not sure I could properly articulate why.

I don’t think I need to justify why people using white nationalist talking points do not deserve the benefit of the doubt, they deserve suspicion. They can overcome that suspicion, but they deserve it, stop quacking if you don’t want people to think your a duck. We can talk about Israel’s genocide, and it is a genocide they are committing and we are supporting, without the nazi rhetoric. I encourage anyone to stop using white nationalist tropes, lest they wish to invite white nationalists - see meme

I appreciate you asked me direct questions, here are my answers: I am concerned using the language of Nazis, invites Nazis into a space they have no business being, Nazis can fuck off. As I am not using ZOG, my definition of Zionist isn’t relevant at all. The nation of Israel is committing genocide, the nation of Israel is exploiting the corruption of our governments.

The number of ZOG comments I’m seeing, even here on Lemmy, is pretty disgusting.

Your garden centre will likely sell a pad for kneeling on… They’re often water proof and wipe clean, do with the information what you will.

Now express -1/12 as a summation of null sets? It’d take a bit.

Ne, mi ankaŭ ne volis lerni esperanton.

I joke, it was fun, esperantists are good people. I did it to ‘cheat’ at being bi-lingual, I don’t think that was the best motivation. Toki pana would’ve been easier.

You haven’t said anything.

You’re movin’ clueless, bro. Nothin’ I’m sayin’ is sinkin’ in, and you ain’t even clocked the situation.

See this? Pointless. Do you have anything beyond “nuh uh”? You’re just yapping: yap yap yap. Say something.

You wanted to talk about non-sequitors, then you didn’t. You wanted to talk about dangerous demographics, then you didn’t. Do you actually want to talk about anything at all? Anything you’re not going to drop the moment it becomes inconvenient? Or are you just going to yap away?

I don’t think you realise what happend to you.

I said the British right argue in bad faith willing to drop positions the moment they become inconvenient. In that comment I told you I was giving you a bunch of bad faith positions to take up.

You valiantly took up a bad faith position to defend.

I made the position inconvenient

You dropped it.

You dont like me, you were at your most guard. and I did that to you, and I did that to you in my downtime at work… And I’m an idiot… What do you think Rupert Murdoch could do to you, read the Epstein files and he’ll tell you.

… and suddenly they don’t want to talk about violent demographics anymore, thanks for demonstrating my point. It’s thought terminating double think all the way down.

If I can puppet you so easily, just think what billionaires can do to you. I swear I was elbow deep at one point, if you find my watch may I have it back? What would you do if was caught lacking Kermit? Prove my point a third time?

I’m sure you believe that. Anyway here’s the data: [https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingseptember2025#offences-involving-firearms].

Anyway, the most violent demographic in this country is men, men killing men all over the land. Regardless of colour or belief or wealth, it’s all men.

What do you want to do to men because they’re so violent. I’ve heard rumblings of deportation, do you want to deport all men, or is deportation not an effective measure for violence?

Or would you like to drop the nonsense and talk about how you’re being robbed blind by the wealthy elite funding your media.