includes a translation of Putin’s entire speech from yesterday Jun 14

  • emizeko [they/them]@hexbear.netOP
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    I’m only halfway through but at one point he calls the western elites “liberal-globalist” which was a little strange to me

    As for the United States itself, the ongoing attempts by the liberal-globalist elites ruling there today to spread their ideology worldwide by any means, to maintain their imperial status, their dominance, only further exhaust the country, lead it to degradation, and directly contradict the true interests of the American people.

      • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        I feel like we’ll have a field day of possible struggle sessions with the terms over here (to me, it feels dirty; a bit of page torn from “the Protocols of Zion”)

        I’d prefer to say “Western Capital and its compradors”

            • ZZZZedong [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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              Putin is not a nazi nor is it anything weird about calling them Globalist.

              The last 2 years has shown us that the pro globalist sides are defending actual Nazis

              • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.net
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                There’s definitely something weird about a guy whose base is very nationalistic (and not in the national liberation sense) positioning himself in opposition to “liberal globalism” when you and I know perfectly well that ‘liberal’ in that phrase can perfectly mean the f slur, and ‘globalism’ means NATO just as much as it means immigrants. Putin has sold this war domestically as a fight against western decadence, as though they’re fighting a morally indecent society.

                I’m not saying Putin is wrong to defend against NATO expansionism though, just to be clear, but you don’t have to hand it to him.

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                  This whole anti nato/globalist right wing red brown thing doesnt exist its just projection from neoliberals

                  Why whould you assume that it has anything to do with f slur or immigrants, do you think pro Nato people are pro immigrants or progressive or something?

                  Why do you (plural) assoicated anti nato with reactionary

                  Dont get me wrong Putin has reactionary views himself i just dont think we should be pearl clutching about the word globalist.

                  Z

                  • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.net
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                    It’s not a red/brown alliance if the reds are all dead, genius. Putin is not your savior, he’s just in a position where he’s doing anti-imperialism as a result of his country being ostracized and excluded from participating in imperialism. I can’t exactly call him an opportunist because he’s not even genuinely trying to sell his government as progressive anyway. He’s calling queer people in Russia extremists, and yeah obviously NATO demons have an even worse track record, but don’t act like there’s no reason for me to be skeptical of his angle when he calls his war a crusade against the globalists.

                    Just to make my point clear: NATO is even worse than Russia at all the things Russia is accusing them of being good at. NATO is more racist, more queerphobic, more reactionary than Russia. But Putin has to bat for a base of nationalistic chuds in his own country, which is why he attacks the West for accepting immigrants, pinkwashing, and not respecting tradition or whatever. He’s weirdly doing the right things while saying all the wrong things.

            • zed_proclaimer [he/him]@hexbear.net
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              It obviously isn’t, seen by the widespread usage of the term across the political spectrum

              The attempted rebranding of globalist into jew is a very recent fringe phenomena. Globalism has been the explicitly stated ideology of Liberals for decades, they self-proclaim as such