Yes, this is why it may happen an election or two after we get critical mass.
This is fundamentally not how things work. It won’t just spontaneously happen, just like that, it isn’t a trivial issue. Even if every single Democratic voter would prefer the Green Party (for instance), each of them individually would think, “Well, I may want to switch, but nobody else is going to, so it would be a wasted vote.” There’s no reason this wouldn’t continue indefinitely.
This also ignores the fact that certain vote thresholds are necessary to be recognized as a major party and receive things like federal campaign funding and a spot in televised debates. Collecting votes doesn’t only help in terms of perceived relevancy, but it also directly helps in spreading the message.
I’d also like to point out that we’re not at election day and yet you don’t seem to be advocating for a third party, instead criticizing me for doing so. If your position is that you should support a third party up until it comes time to vote, then where is that support?
There’s no reason this wouldn’t continue indefinitely.
Wait, what? Why would it continue indefinitely? Lets say we had a Green Party with polling showing 90% of the population interested in that party. In what reason would you not vote for the Green Party (Assuming they are aligned with your goals)? Even if the polls are off we still have an extremely good chance of winning.
vote thresholds are necessary to be recognized as a major party and receive things like federal campaign funding and a spot in televised debates.
You don’t technically need money to win an election, it helps, but all that matters is the votes. If you don’t debate a popular candidate, your opponent can call you a coward. No one wants to debate anyone, it’s just better optics to engage.
If your position is that you should support a third party up until it comes time to vote, then where is that support?
Ohhh, maybe you got me, I haven’t been paying much attention to the 3rd party polling. Any progressive 3rd party candidates coming close to Biden or Trump? If they are, then you win, and let me know.
Also, let me just say, if it is not too late, that I support all candidates that agree with me. Have any candidates in particular you want me to verify?
Wait, what? Why would it continue indefinitely? Lets say we had a Green Party with polling showing 90% of the population interested in that party. In what reason would you not vote for the Green Party (Assuming they are aligned with your goals)? Even if the polls are off we still have an extremely good chance of winning.
The Green Party would not be polling at 90%. When polls ask people who they intend to vote for, they would tell them that they intend to vote for the Democrats, because they consider the Greens nonviable.
You know, like you said you’re doing when I asked why you’re not supporting them now.
I guess you’re expecting people to lie to pollsters or something? Most people aren’t going to do that.
You don’t technically need money to win an election, it helps, but all that matters is the votes. If you don’t debate a popular candidate, your opponent can call you a coward. No one wants to debate anyone, it’s just better optics to engage.
This is so absurdly naive that it’s hardly worth answering. Money lets you spread your message. Being in a debate lets you spread your message. These are massive advantages that it’s virtually impossible to win without. People aren’t voting completely divorced from anything campaigns do.
Seriously, this is completely ridiculous and I won’t entertain the notion further.
When polls ask people who they intend to vote for, they would tell them that they intend to vote for the Democrats, because they consider the Greens nonviable.
This is so absurdly naive that it’s hardly worth answering.
I think you misread my statement that you quoted. I didn’t say money wasn’t helpful. And I never said we don’t need to debate. I said the debates will come to us if we are popular (You won’t have to doge bullets Neo).
Seriously, this is completely ridiculous and I won’t entertain the notion further.
Your call if you want to end on some bad arguments.
Well then, seeing as that poll shows 63%, I assume you’re voting third party with everyone else then, right? Because that’s apparently how you think the world works.
Stop giving me this nonsense and come back down to reality.
Is that 63% specific candidate? Or is that 63% in general?
Because of its 63% for a specific candidate we can talk. Looks like it’s just in general. Which makes sense because the two candidates are particularly bad this upcoming election.
Oh man, looks like you have no good arguments to counter mine, otherwise you would have used them. Looks like I’ll have to put you back into the idiot category. Sorry.
This is fundamentally not how things work. It won’t just spontaneously happen, just like that, it isn’t a trivial issue. Even if every single Democratic voter would prefer the Green Party (for instance), each of them individually would think, “Well, I may want to switch, but nobody else is going to, so it would be a wasted vote.” There’s no reason this wouldn’t continue indefinitely.
This also ignores the fact that certain vote thresholds are necessary to be recognized as a major party and receive things like federal campaign funding and a spot in televised debates. Collecting votes doesn’t only help in terms of perceived relevancy, but it also directly helps in spreading the message.
I’d also like to point out that we’re not at election day and yet you don’t seem to be advocating for a third party, instead criticizing me for doing so. If your position is that you should support a third party up until it comes time to vote, then where is that support?
Wait, what? Why would it continue indefinitely? Lets say we had a Green Party with polling showing 90% of the population interested in that party. In what reason would you not vote for the Green Party (Assuming they are aligned with your goals)? Even if the polls are off we still have an extremely good chance of winning.
You don’t technically need money to win an election, it helps, but all that matters is the votes. If you don’t debate a popular candidate, your opponent can call you a coward. No one wants to debate anyone, it’s just better optics to engage.
Ohhh, maybe you got me, I haven’t been paying much attention to the 3rd party polling. Any progressive 3rd party candidates coming close to Biden or Trump? If they are, then you win, and let me know.
Also, let me just say, if it is not too late, that I support all candidates that agree with me. Have any candidates in particular you want me to verify?
The Green Party would not be polling at 90%. When polls ask people who they intend to vote for, they would tell them that they intend to vote for the Democrats, because they consider the Greens nonviable.
You know, like you said you’re doing when I asked why you’re not supporting them now.
I guess you’re expecting people to lie to pollsters or something? Most people aren’t going to do that.
This is so absurdly naive that it’s hardly worth answering. Money lets you spread your message. Being in a debate lets you spread your message. These are massive advantages that it’s virtually impossible to win without. People aren’t voting completely divorced from anything campaigns do.
Seriously, this is completely ridiculous and I won’t entertain the notion further.
Sounds like we need to organize more to get better information. Also, what is this I found? https://news.gallup.com/poll/512135/support-third-political-party.aspx Looks like a poll that supports 3rd party candidates without committing to vote on them.
I think you misread my statement that you quoted. I didn’t say money wasn’t helpful. And I never said we don’t need to debate. I said the debates will come to us if we are popular (You won’t have to doge bullets Neo).
Your call if you want to end on some bad arguments.
Well then, seeing as that poll shows 63%, I assume you’re voting third party with everyone else then, right? Because that’s apparently how you think the world works.
Stop giving me this nonsense and come back down to reality.
Is that 63% specific candidate? Or is that 63% in general?
Because of its 63% for a specific candidate we can talk. Looks like it’s just in general. Which makes sense because the two candidates are particularly bad this upcoming election.
Oh man, looks like you have no good arguments to counter mine, otherwise you would have used them. Looks like I’ll have to put you back into the idiot category. Sorry.
> cites poll
> “actually, this poll is meaningless.”
Good talk.
Whoa, where did I say the poll was meaningless?
How do you do that thing where you put things I never said in my mouth? Hey, let me try.
Wow, that was easier than I thought it was.
Ad-homing is fun!
That’s not not how you spell ad-hominem or what it is.
If the poll is not meaningless to you, then what number would it have to be for it to make you to vote third party?