cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/14778555

@MaxBlumenthal

“Democracy is on the ballot”

@DrJillStein

BREAKING: Jill Stein and her Campaign Manager and Deputy Campaign Manager, Jason Call and Kelly Merrill-Cayer, have been arrested at Washington University in St. Louis while supporting a protest against WashU’s ties to the war on Gaza. Video from @KallieECox

Direct video link: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1784410882627227648/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/0RbEXrPU8hvKoqwU.mp4

Source: https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1784440127734812900

  • BossDj@lemm.ee
    707·
    7 months ago

    While running for president in 2016, Jill Stein attended a gala in Moscow to promote RT “News”, the Russian propaganda machine that is banned in several countries.

    There’s, she was photographed seated at a table with Putin and his entourage, as well as Michael Flynn.

    • kinther@lemmy.world
      353·
      7 months ago

      I voted Jill Stein in 2016. My vote didn’t matter as I’m in Washington state and we went for Clinton anyway. I was a low information voter at the time and have since resolved to pay way more attention to things like this.

    • M137@lemmy.world
      31·
      7 months ago

      Sorry, but I gotta ask what happened with your typing in that last sentence. “There’s, she was —”

      I think you tried to say “There she was —” But you somehow added three unnecessary characters.

      I’m in no way going against what you wrote, just can’t understand what happened.

    • crusa187@lemmy.ml
      26·
      7 months ago

      She was there on her own dime, attempting a diplomatic effort to get Russia to curb its violent tactics. Contrary to mainstream belief in America, this has greater potential to bring about actual peace than funding proxy wars in Ukraine and Yemen. The fact she actually managed to be seated with Putin long enough for this picture to be taken is a testament to her legitimacy as a leader, and as a diplomat.

  • runjun@lemmy.world
    539·
    7 months ago

    Quite funny to use Jill Stein for this considering she’s done her bit selling us out.

  • Dkarma@lemmy.world
    219·
    7 months ago

    3rd party candidates can’t get to 270. Voting for them technically helps trump.

      • rappo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        719·
        7 months ago

        How’s that working out for us? How do you see it actually working for us?

        Even before Trump, no one could break through the stranglehold the two party system has. There’s an entire segment of people who are neither centrist nor conservative who have been and will continue to be without a voice. Those people will continue to vote blue/centrist because it’s better than the alternative. Or they will continue to vote red/conservative because there’s no alternative.

        The closest we’ve seen to a viable third party candidate was Perot over 30 years ago with 19% of the vote. And you could argue he got by on his “outsider” charm much like trump, rather than any decent ideology.

        Keep money and PACs and lobbying in the mix and there will be no change. Keep voting in blue/red and we keep the money flowing… but there’s no conceivable way to vote them out.

        I get that in this moment in time it feels like life or death for democracy and it’s anybody but Trump, but let’s imagine that’s all behind us and the threat of Trump is gone. What now? How do we actually get representation instead of two parties run by and for corporations? Because nothing anyone has done in my lifetime so far has made a dent.

        • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
          115·
          7 months ago

          You can give up if you’d rather. Or you can look at what America in particular and the world in general used to be and take the wins the left has won and build off them, while learning from the losses.

          Unfortunately, one of those lessons is never actually trust liberals, but that’s what the organizing is for.

          And if our efforts can’t halt the oh so obvious disaster… Well, revolutions don’t happen when people are happy.

          • rappo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            310·
            7 months ago

            I do feel like giving up. But my question remains, what is the path forward? Let’s say I help “organize”, what does that look like? Protesting in streets doesn’t work in America, speaking with your money does… but I don’t have the money to compete with corporations and collectively we don’t, either.

            sidebar: I’m currently at 0 internet points for my comment. Not saying it was you, it probably wasn’t, but my comment was genuine and not some shitpost or edgy hot take. I thought the reason we’re here and not reddit is (among many other things) because voting is used to highlight good conversations that we need to have (and to bury the bullshit), it’s not a hivemind agree/disagree button.

            • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
              73·
              7 months ago

              You get to choose between getting punched in the arm, or getting kicked in the face. If you don’t choose, the latter is more likely.

              I downvoted both comments, because they’re both talking point by the “everyone gets kicked in the face” party. I also don’t really see “but how do we fix the world?” as a requirement to vote against getting kicked in the face.

  • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
    177·
    7 months ago

    Bruh she’s not even the green candidate this year, literally her only political relevance is bougie white leftists bending over backwards to the point of folding at the belly button to be defensive knobs about having voted for her in 2016 because “don’t vote shame me with alarmism, they wouldn’t ever take away abortion rights you DNC shill!”

  • lennybird@lemmy.worldEnglish
    83·
    7 months ago

    I’ll never stop associating her with the scummiest of scum after she sat round-table with Putin (evil fuck), Putin’s henchmen, and Michael Flynn (traitorous christian nationalist fuck). https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696

    … The event? A 10-year celebration of Kremlin’s RT propaganda network.

    Jill Stein is what Jill Stein has always been — a wedge-driving pawn to Putin no different than Tulsi Gabbard or Glenn Greenwald post-Kompromat.

  • jordanlund@lemmy.world
    95·
    7 months ago

    Not her first rodeo either:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/dakota-pipeline-protests/green-party-s-jill-stein-charged-n-dakota-pipeline-protest-n644326

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/3rd-party-candidate-jill-stein-escorted-hofstra-police/story?id=42372259

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/09/dakota-access-pipeline-jill-stein-arrest-green-party

    When your #1 strategy to garner attention in an election is “get arrested”, maybe it’s time to re-think your candidacy.

    • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.worldOP
      52·
      7 months ago

      You do know that Jill Stein was an activist, which they tend to get arrested, before she ran for any politicial office position…

      Wiki source for basic information:

      Stein was born in Chicago, Illinois, the daughter of Gladys (née Wool) and Joseph Stein. She was raised in Highland Park, Illinois. Her parents were descended from Russian Jews, and Stein was raised in a Reform Jewish household, attending Chicago’s North Shore Congregation Israel.[6]

      In 1973, Stein graduated magna cum laude from Harvard College, where she studied psychology, sociology, and anthropology.[7] She then attended Harvard Medical School and graduated in 1979.[7] Stein practiced internal medicine for 25 years[8] at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, Simmons College Health Center, and Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, which are all located in the Boston area. She also served as an instructor of medicine at Harvard Medical School.[9] Early activism and political career

      As a physician, Stein became increasingly concerned about the connection between people’s health and the quality of their local environment. She subsequently turned to activism. In 1998, she began protesting the “Filthy Five” coal plants in Massachusetts.[10][11] Since 1998, she has served on the board of the Greater Boston chapter of Physicians for Social Responsibility.[8] She received Clean Water Action’s “Not in Anyone’s Backyard Award” in 1998 and its “Children’s Health Hero Award” in 2000, Toxic Action Center’s “Citizen Award” in 1999, and Salem State College’s “Friend of the Earth Award” in 2004.[12][13][14]

      Stein coauthored two reports by the Greater Boston Physicians for Social Responsibility, In Harm’s Way: Toxic Threats to Child Development (2000), and Environmental Threats to Healthy Aging (2009).[15][16] In Harm’s Way report republished in the peer-reviewed Journal of Developmental and Behavioral Pediatrics in 2002.[17]

      Stein has said that she left the Democratic Party and joined the Green Party when “the Democratic Party killed campaign finance reform in my state”.[10]

      • jordanlund@lemmy.world
        22·
        7 months ago

        Yes, and doing it in 2016 when running for office is a “pay attention to meeeeee!” move. Repeating it here.

  • Liz@midwest.socialEnglish
    73·
    7 months ago

    Excuse me, OP. Please provide a presidential voting strategy that you would like me to employ with the goal of maximizing positive impact. That’s generally my goal. I try to things that will have a positive impact on society. Please note that ineffective actions don’t have any impact, by definition.

    I ask for a voting strategy because you seem to be drawing a line connecting a phrase used to argue in favor of voting for Joe Biden for president (over Trump) with an incident that has recently happened in St. Louis. Presumably you think this incident is bad (on the surface I think it is, too) and would like for things to improve. Presumably you also think Biden is in favor of the outcome with this incident. Do you think Trump would be against this outcome?

    There are, of course, other ways to deal with the negative incident that don’t center around your individual vote for president, but you seem to be suggesting that the two are directly connected, which is why I asked my question.