This is why the theory of third world development & first world class consciousness evolved way past the point which our friends on twitter are beginning to reach.

  • ivy@lemmy.mlOP
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    7
    ·
    edit-2
    7 months ago

    I really don’t understand what either of you are talking about tbqh. Since Clinton’s presidency upwards of 50% of Americans are in service work, very few people are in these industries where people actually take propaganda seriously (ritzy tech workers are). But it’s like advertising, you know it’s bullshit, but it hints how people will view you for buying a product, and that’s pretty unavoidable.

    For 90% of us propaganda works primarily by 70% omission, rest is some depressing watered down truth to direct our attention towards, and indecipherable screeds which as we read them we can tell are not for us, or sometimes even talking down to us with bloodcurdling austerity bullshit. With our eye for media criticism we can translate them: “i am a failson and i was handed this job” “i want to bomb iran so bad it hurts” “fuck you die die die get sick fuck your kids, i think your bodies will sponge the virus for me, only my kids get air filters muahahaha” etc.

    There is of course a reason people are coming to the US to be exploited for higher wages than they can get at home, but US workers are still headed into a position where they have no way to survive in this shrinking empire. Many people are losing their homes and dying.

    We don’t need to try to reason with people who really take the NYT really seriously or have a bunch of reddit karma, that’s a small fraction of the population. It’s good to relate this to dependency theory but not if we leave out inequality and where all the wealth and debt is in the US.

    • Sons_of_Ferrix@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      7 months ago

      Since Clinton’s presidency upwards of 50% of Americans are in service work, very few people are in these industries where people actually take propaganda seriously.

      Yeah and a lot of those workers still make enough for afford Xboxes and meat on their plates for all 3 meals a day. They’re getting fucked by the housing market and it pisses them off, but it hasn’t occurred to most them that having a government with an actual socialist housing policy may mean having to cut back on the treats. There’s a reason why NATO-anarchism is the most popular leftist current in the West.

      • ivy@lemmy.mlOP
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        edit-2
        7 months ago

        it hasn’t occurred to them

        I mean, what structure is there to translate their political will into reality in order to assume this not happening is because of a lack of interest? Also stamping shit out is getting more expensive as things get worse. All the main orgs here are not just compromised but a hydra that’s part of the NGO complex.

        NATO-anarchism is the most popular leftist current in the West

        what metrics are we even using here. wouldn’t that be larger shitty-unionism? what are you basing this off of?

        • Sons_of_Ferrix@hexbear.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          7 months ago

          what are you basing this off of?

          The fact that for every one ML I encounter in the west I encounter about 20-30 succs or “anarchists-who-want-to-nuke-Iran”

      • ivy@lemmy.mlOP
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        7 months ago

        Everyone’s pretty high too, and US central banking is a smorgasbord of international organized drug smuggling. It’s less about people thinking everything is just fine and more about them being caught in a vise and trying not to get arrested again, rented to Wendy’s or a Clinton mansion out of prison if they fuck that up.

        This whole place is a prison for a lot of people. A LOT of them.

        • Sons_of_Ferrix@hexbear.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          7 months ago

          No offense but you keep going on weird tangents that are barely related to what I’m talking about. Like your last comment got into propaganda when propaganda wasn’t what I was talking about, I was talking about how I think most humans value treat accessibility way more than we may think, to the point many would even be willing to sacrifice a certain degree of housing security for cheap treats. NYT readership has nothing to do with that.

          I don’t think access to weed really affects what I’m trying to illuminate here either.