It’s just a simple yes or no, whether you think at least one or more of the candidates on your ballot list shares a lot of your concerns, beliefs, et values to at least vote for them

If you don’t approve any of them, just don’t mark them, and write down “I don’t like any of these candidates” as a reason

I don’t like “first past the post” for this reason… it just perpetuates the idea of “spoiled” votes…

  • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
    10·
    8 months ago

    Because there is no voting method that is better than other methods. In this method, voters who only choose their favorite candidate are rewarded for not approving of more than one candidate

    How are they rewarded, in any way?

    Oppose electoral fetishism!

    Since when did I campaign a whole lot about electoral fetishism?.. I know reformism, let alone electoral reformism on its own, isn’t sufficient to rock the rotten system, but as far as I can tell, it’s something to break the rhythm of western democracy

    Besides, didn’t the USSR use approval ratings, to some degree, for electing municipal and provincial officials?

    From this youtube video “They hate the Soviets for THIS.” by Держать Курс

    Vtg-ohbNYiI

    “It can be said that the vote was only the final part of a complex electoral process within the framework of Soviet democracy. The procedure for selecting the most worthy candidates was based on the requirements that were put forward to potential candidates, in turn, the competition was conducted not for votes, but for a certain symbolic capital.

    The person who most corresponded to the ideal type of deputy, within the field of Soviet politics, received approval from both the power institutions and the population… Chelyabinsk regional Committee noted that “some city and district committees of the party, primary party organization didn’t pay enough attention to the selection of individual candidates, in advance, without knowing the attitude of the staff to the recommended comrades…”.

    A necessary requirement for the candidates was the approval of groups, that is, they are, in fact, chose to election, and the polling day just officially confirmed their choice.”

    It turns out that in the parliament you can not nominate candidates and have to choose from ready-made options. And with the Soviets, you can nominate candidates, but there will be only one candidate in the election, who was previously chosen by you. That’s all.

    • blobjim [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      1·
      8 months ago

      How are they rewarded, in any way?

      Only voting for your favorite gives the other candidates less approval, which swings the vote towards the candidate who has voters who are the most “selective”. Plus even if that isn’t the case, who’s to say the person who wins is the best and not just the most status quo or calculated politician?

      something to break the rhythm of western democracy

      They already have something better than single-member voting districts in “western democracy”: direct proportional representation. It clearly doesn’t make much difference.

      use approval ratings, to some degree, for electing municipal and provincial officials?

      Barack Obama has a 63% approval rating. I guess you saud local politicians but I bet you can find similar examples.

      I think you underestimate the level to which propaganda and ruling class maneuvering determines who has power, and overestimate the amount that elections matter, which are in fact glorified polls.

      We all saw how it took them just a couple days to completely crush Bernie Sanders’ last election campaign.

      I’m not against elections, but they have to serve a specific pupose and not just exist for the ceremony. Maybe elections they have in Cuba or China work better if it’s just a neighborhood voting for a leader, but idk.

      • ta00000 [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        2·
        8 months ago

        Yes liberal electoralism is a smokescreen. You’re right that no voting method will ever be perfect. Even if we find the perfect system with no spoiled votes, no gamified voting whatsoever, you still haven’t solved the IMO most glaring problem with electoral systems, which is (If you will entertain a hypothetical) you might like candidate A because they promised you a free subway footlong with chips, and I might like candidate B because they’re the only candidate who doesn’t want to kill me. Our relative “wants” aren’t equal.

        All that said, I think you’re being a little black and white in your thinking about this. You can still say definitively that one voting method is better than another at doing a particular thing. I think the point OP was making was that approval voting is better than FPTP while requiring almost no changes to the current system, demonstrating that the current system doesn’t care about being more democratic because if they did we would already be approval voting. There’s literally no valid argument against it. You could use the same ballots and count them the same way, just instead of marking one vote you mark (potentially) multiple. Gamified voting is much less effective, “spoiler” voting from outside the established center doesn’t exist, and the two party system would be severely weakened. Three marked improvements.

        As for Obama’s approval rating, if you had only ever tasted smarties and root beer barrels your perception of what candy you like would be pretty heavily skewed. I’m willing to bet that 4 years of a decent administration (an act of god) would change everyone’s approval range by a lot.