Offering context does not make the decision to go scorched earth on a small, densely packed, and functionally trapped population any better.
Israel can stop whenever they want, and it will still take a decade at this point for whoever is left to rebuild. Just because they’re “doing better than most” at slaughtering civilians doesn’t mean it isn’t abhorrent.
It feels a lot like the US congratulating themselves for ushering in democracy to a functionally destroyed Iraq.
It doesn’t make what better? No one’s excusing the loss of life, they’re putting it into context by demonstrating that Israel is clearly not indiscriminately bombing the place.
Israel cannot stop, Hamas has made that exceptionally clear with their repeatedly saying they will continue to massacre the country and 10/7 was a rehearsal. No country would let that existential threat just sit on it’s border firing thousands of rockets at it. That’s just an outrageous claim to make, they can’t stop until Hamas is gone. No country on this planet would.
So the UN is calling for a ceasefire that the US keeps vetoing for… No reason?
Besides the Oct 7th invasion, what damage has Hamas done to Israel? The rockets that get shot from Gaza into Israel, from what I understand, unilaterally get shot down.
Netanyahu said just yesterday that he intends on thwarting any attempt to a demilitarized Palestine, which is pretty much the only compromise short of full invasion and control. Israel has essentially announced its intention to wipe out Hamas, which isn’t itself a bad thing, except that they are dislocating 1m+ people in the process into other countries that don’t want them, and killing people who don’t or can’t move.
Israel won’t cooperate with probes into the way their military handles civilian encounters, so we’re just supposed to believe them when they say “it’s fine” when videos arise of them outright executing civilians?
The US vetoed it because it lacked the turnover of hostages from what I read. Seems like a great reason to shoot it down.
There are entire towns vacated because of rocket fire. There’s been medical centers hit by fire South of Tel Aviv. Israel invested its money into defending its people, Hamas used its money to build tunnels civilians aren’t allowed into and bombs… you’re pretty much saying not enough Israelis are dying so the bombing doesn’t matter. That’s pretty fucked up but sure. One side cares about their people, the other openly states it doesn’t.
Netanyahu is a criminal, no argument there but he’s entirely correct in saying Israel will have full control over the strip when this is done. That’s the only option for Israeli safety. From there it should be transferred to a technocratic government hosted by the Arab states that have established ties with Israel, UAE and Saudi should lead that effort but that’ll come after the current administration is replaced. Based on the people protesting, that’s ASAP but not until Hamas is done.
Given the clear bias against Israel by the UN, the number of resolutions issued for human rights is comical, would you accept a probe? Iran sits on the human rights commission. Israel has been rung up for it’s treatment of women LoL. That’s a kangaroo court if there’s ever been one. It’s disappointing there isn’t a reasonable body to investigate though, UNRWA needs to be dismantled and I’m quite sure there’s monsters in the IDF that need to be locked up too. I’m hopeful their judiciary will hold their people to account, they’ve done it previously but I don’t think it’ll be enough. That’s a sad reality of war. Just like the people pulling the strings in Doha and Tehran won’t be held to account, there’s going to be Israelis who aren’t either.
There’s no good guy in this conflict. No matter which way you look at it, this is not a defensive action by Israel.
you’re pretty much saying not enough Israelis are dying so the bombing doesn’t matter
What you’re saying is that provisional and hypothetical safety of civilians that aren’t evacuated is reason enough to stage an invasion with a blood price several hundred times higher.
Among other things, the biggest difference here is that Israeli civilians can be evacuated. Palestinians have nowhere to go. They are dying in their homes or dying at the border where they have nowhere to go.
the number of resolutions issued for human rights is comical
So you’re insinuating that the number of human rights violations that Israel can be held liable for should be limited by some artificial volume considered “palatable” to some authority? Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If Israel is committing a comical number of human rights violations, they need to answer to a comical number of charges.
No, I’m saying that one country goes far out of its way to defend its people and the other does the exact opposite. That’s not Israel’s fault, they’re taking precautions for Gazans that Gazans refuse to take for themselves.
Palestinians don’t have many places to go and the ones they have are immediately turned into staging grounds for rocket attacks. Israel is going to return fire even if it’s from an area they told people to seek refuge in. Would you expect them not to? Wanna know how this stops tomorrow? Release the hostages and lay down their arms, it’s over. That’s really how easy this can end. The Palestinians don’t care though, they’re soaking up western sympathy with the blood of their children and that’s exactly their plan.
I’m not insinuating anything. I’m saying flat out that the UN has lost any semblance of reason on the Israel file and their record makes that abundantly clear. If there was an institution capable of investigating, I’d be all for it. The mopes who couldn’t find Hamas when they were literally sharing the same electrical meter aren’t the guys who can be trusted to investigate anything…who would you suggest investigate? Like I said, people who broke the law need to be held to account. I’m including the head of UNRWA in that.
they’re taking precautions for Gazans that Gazans refuse to take for themselves.
This is laughable. Israelis were caught on video shooting refugees. At best they’re doing no worse than Hamas. Neither side cares about the civilians. The whole 2:1 thing is a nice, tidy piece of propaganda designed to sugarcoat the fact that they are killing civilians
The Palestinians don’t care though, they’re soaking up western sympathy with the blood of their children and that’s exactly their plan
Of all the bloviating you’re doing, of all the Israeli propaganda you’ve pushed, this is the most egregious. You’ve no proof of this strategy, just like you have no proof of Israel’s good intentions. You’re just dehumanizing a population of about a million in order to justify eliminating them all over a fighting force of maybe a tenth of them.
Like I said, people who broke the law need to be held to account
No I get it. It’s clear that your version of facing the law includes a blank check for genocide because “that’s the reality of war”.
Of all the points you’ve made, you don’t seem to understand that a even a broken system with heavy bias against the aggressor is better than letting the aggressor do whatever they want to a population they have stated that they wish to eradicate.
No the US Vetoed it because they are complicet in the Genocide, if you hear the president ever speak about Isn’treal it is clear that he will do everything in his power to suport them no matter what they do.
Also there is no bias aganst Isn’treal, there is a larger number of nations who dislike them because, and I cannot stress this enough, most nations, and all decent people dislike genocide… I am sorry you have to learn you are a bad person this way
LoL. That you can’t even spell it properly while claiming there’s no bias just demonstrates your ignorance bigotry. You can claim I’m not a good person, I’m fine with the judgments of the likes of you. History will again show just how easily the morons of society fall for the propaganda being pushed, and you’re quite clearly one of the captured.
why are they bombing hospitals, schools, water facilities, the areas they have told the palitinians are the save zones, buldozing cemetaries, and grenading families of those who request aid in leaving due to disabilities.
Palestinians bombed their own hospitals FFS. IDF is returning fire, the question should be why does Hamas continue to set up their operations amongst civilian infrastructure?
Except all independent reports found both of thouse statments to be untrue, only Isn’treal makes those claims, they also claim that palistinians are animals, odd that they woud use such genocidal language…
WTF are you talking about? Al Jazeera literally live streamed it LMFAO. there’s no verified reports showing otherwise. If there are please send them over.
Odd they’d use the same language their enemies use? Not at all. If someone wants to pick a fight, they don’t get to cry when you fight back.
Offering context does not make the decision to go scorched earth on a small, densely packed, and functionally trapped population any better.
Israel can stop whenever they want, and it will still take a decade at this point for whoever is left to rebuild. Just because they’re “doing better than most” at slaughtering civilians doesn’t mean it isn’t abhorrent.
It feels a lot like the US congratulating themselves for ushering in democracy to a functionally destroyed Iraq.
It doesn’t make what better? No one’s excusing the loss of life, they’re putting it into context by demonstrating that Israel is clearly not indiscriminately bombing the place.
Israel cannot stop, Hamas has made that exceptionally clear with their repeatedly saying they will continue to massacre the country and 10/7 was a rehearsal. No country would let that existential threat just sit on it’s border firing thousands of rockets at it. That’s just an outrageous claim to make, they can’t stop until Hamas is gone. No country on this planet would.
So the UN is calling for a ceasefire that the US keeps vetoing for… No reason?
Besides the Oct 7th invasion, what damage has Hamas done to Israel? The rockets that get shot from Gaza into Israel, from what I understand, unilaterally get shot down.
Netanyahu said just yesterday that he intends on thwarting any attempt to a demilitarized Palestine, which is pretty much the only compromise short of full invasion and control. Israel has essentially announced its intention to wipe out Hamas, which isn’t itself a bad thing, except that they are dislocating 1m+ people in the process into other countries that don’t want them, and killing people who don’t or can’t move.
Israel won’t cooperate with probes into the way their military handles civilian encounters, so we’re just supposed to believe them when they say “it’s fine” when videos arise of them outright executing civilians?
The US vetoed it because it lacked the turnover of hostages from what I read. Seems like a great reason to shoot it down.
There are entire towns vacated because of rocket fire. There’s been medical centers hit by fire South of Tel Aviv. Israel invested its money into defending its people, Hamas used its money to build tunnels civilians aren’t allowed into and bombs… you’re pretty much saying not enough Israelis are dying so the bombing doesn’t matter. That’s pretty fucked up but sure. One side cares about their people, the other openly states it doesn’t.
Netanyahu is a criminal, no argument there but he’s entirely correct in saying Israel will have full control over the strip when this is done. That’s the only option for Israeli safety. From there it should be transferred to a technocratic government hosted by the Arab states that have established ties with Israel, UAE and Saudi should lead that effort but that’ll come after the current administration is replaced. Based on the people protesting, that’s ASAP but not until Hamas is done.
Given the clear bias against Israel by the UN, the number of resolutions issued for human rights is comical, would you accept a probe? Iran sits on the human rights commission. Israel has been rung up for it’s treatment of women LoL. That’s a kangaroo court if there’s ever been one. It’s disappointing there isn’t a reasonable body to investigate though, UNRWA needs to be dismantled and I’m quite sure there’s monsters in the IDF that need to be locked up too. I’m hopeful their judiciary will hold their people to account, they’ve done it previously but I don’t think it’ll be enough. That’s a sad reality of war. Just like the people pulling the strings in Doha and Tehran won’t be held to account, there’s going to be Israelis who aren’t either.
There’s no good guy in this conflict. No matter which way you look at it, this is not a defensive action by Israel.
What you’re saying is that provisional and hypothetical safety of civilians that aren’t evacuated is reason enough to stage an invasion with a blood price several hundred times higher.
Among other things, the biggest difference here is that Israeli civilians can be evacuated. Palestinians have nowhere to go. They are dying in their homes or dying at the border where they have nowhere to go.
So you’re insinuating that the number of human rights violations that Israel can be held liable for should be limited by some artificial volume considered “palatable” to some authority? Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If Israel is committing a comical number of human rights violations, they need to answer to a comical number of charges.
No, I’m saying that one country goes far out of its way to defend its people and the other does the exact opposite. That’s not Israel’s fault, they’re taking precautions for Gazans that Gazans refuse to take for themselves.
Palestinians don’t have many places to go and the ones they have are immediately turned into staging grounds for rocket attacks. Israel is going to return fire even if it’s from an area they told people to seek refuge in. Would you expect them not to? Wanna know how this stops tomorrow? Release the hostages and lay down their arms, it’s over. That’s really how easy this can end. The Palestinians don’t care though, they’re soaking up western sympathy with the blood of their children and that’s exactly their plan.
I’m not insinuating anything. I’m saying flat out that the UN has lost any semblance of reason on the Israel file and their record makes that abundantly clear. If there was an institution capable of investigating, I’d be all for it. The mopes who couldn’t find Hamas when they were literally sharing the same electrical meter aren’t the guys who can be trusted to investigate anything…who would you suggest investigate? Like I said, people who broke the law need to be held to account. I’m including the head of UNRWA in that.
This is laughable. Israelis were caught on video shooting refugees. At best they’re doing no worse than Hamas. Neither side cares about the civilians. The whole 2:1 thing is a nice, tidy piece of propaganda designed to sugarcoat the fact that they are killing civilians
Of all the bloviating you’re doing, of all the Israeli propaganda you’ve pushed, this is the most egregious. You’ve no proof of this strategy, just like you have no proof of Israel’s good intentions. You’re just dehumanizing a population of about a million in order to justify eliminating them all over a fighting force of maybe a tenth of them.
No I get it. It’s clear that your version of facing the law includes a blank check for genocide because “that’s the reality of war”.
Of all the points you’ve made, you don’t seem to understand that a even a broken system with heavy bias against the aggressor is better than letting the aggressor do whatever they want to a population they have stated that they wish to eradicate.
Saying “the UN is a joke” is not a justification.
No the US Vetoed it because they are complicet in the Genocide, if you hear the president ever speak about Isn’treal it is clear that he will do everything in his power to suport them no matter what they do.
Also there is no bias aganst Isn’treal, there is a larger number of nations who dislike them because, and I cannot stress this enough, most nations, and all decent people dislike genocide… I am sorry you have to learn you are a bad person this way
LoL. That you can’t even spell it properly while claiming there’s no bias just demonstrates your ignorance bigotry. You can claim I’m not a good person, I’m fine with the judgments of the likes of you. History will again show just how easily the morons of society fall for the propaganda being pushed, and you’re quite clearly one of the captured.
Oh I as a person, as the Red Army Dog 100% Bias, I hate genocide and Genociders l, I hate opression
The UN member nations, no there is no unfair or unjust hatred of Isn’treal, they, and I cannot stress this enough, are doing a GENOCIDE
why are they bombing hospitals, schools, water facilities, the areas they have told the palitinians are the save zones, buldozing cemetaries, and grenading families of those who request aid in leaving due to disabilities.
Palestinians bombed their own hospitals FFS. IDF is returning fire, the question should be why does Hamas continue to set up their operations amongst civilian infrastructure?
Except all independent reports found both of thouse statments to be untrue, only Isn’treal makes those claims, they also claim that palistinians are animals, odd that they woud use such genocidal language…
WTF are you talking about? Al Jazeera literally live streamed it LMFAO. there’s no verified reports showing otherwise. If there are please send them over.
Odd they’d use the same language their enemies use? Not at all. If someone wants to pick a fight, they don’t get to cry when you fight back.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aKDFcNMgZ50&pp=ygUraXNyZXFsIGF0dGFja3MgZ2F6YSBob3NwaXRhbCBtYWpvcml0eSByZXBvdA%3D%3D
Here you go a break down of proof otherwise ypu genocidal manach
Oh so now all people who use the same language are on the same side
Also share that message with Isn’treal when they started this with the Nakba