Hello! This is Alexandra Prokopenko with your weekly guide to the Russian economy — brought to you by The Bell. I am joined this time by analyst Alexander Kolyandr. We focus this week on how the Ukraine war is gradually becoming key to both Russia’s economy and its politics and

Russia’s war in Ukraine is already in its 17th month. In that time, President Vladimir Putin has clearly demonstrated that he is not bothered by losses — whether they be financial, material, or human. His war will go on as long as he needs. And, judging by how the authorities have woven the so-called “special military operation” into Russian life, that will be a long time.

    • Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml
      2419·
      1 year ago

      If Russia didn’t want more of their neighbors to be NATO allies, maybe they should stop giving their neighbors reason to join.

      • LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml
        2639·
        1 year ago

        NATO exists to solve the problems created by NATO’s existence. The reasons for joining NATO are to funnel money to America’s military contractors Nothing else.

                • 133arc585@lemmy.ml
                  23·
                  1 year ago

                  Who has spent the most on this conflict? Hint: it’s not Russia; it’s not even Ukraine; nor is it any European country or…any other country. The USA has spent more on this conflict than any other country, including Russia. Who platformed Nazis, embedded them into the military complex, and helped put them in positions of power within NATO? You guessed it, the USA. Do you think the USA is some independent third party observer here?

    • phar@lemmy.ml
      1518·
      1 year ago

      Nah, NATO is definitely not weak. Russia showed the world they are weak. So much for Russian military might.

        • phar@lemmy.ml
          1·
          1 year ago

          So far Russia’s strategy has been terrible. And you just said if Russia and China or India join forces. So you admit Russia is failing? NATO is far more powerful than Russia. Hell, individual countries in NATO are far more powerful than Russia. The only thing Russia has going for it is the threat of nukes. You are also jumping to some weird as theories. NATO is not going to drop any nukes first. Regardless whether you think cluster bombs are somehow similar to nukes. You’re just talking out of your ass with moronic metaphors.

            • phar@lemmy.ml
              1·
              1 year ago

              You just said they really don’t have a chance without some weird conglomeration of the other countries. So yeah you did. Also Russia is the invader. You call it a proxy war and at this point it has turned into one. But it’s 100% on Russia. Russia is weak. Everyone thought Russia was the big guy on the field and it turns out they’re not. China may be although they haven’t fought a war in a long time so who knows what they can actually do. But it’s very evident now that Russia was not nearly as strong as everyone thought they were.

      • zephyrvs@lemmy.ml
        1611·
        1 year ago

        How to say you’re a NAFO shill without saying you’re a NATO shill.

        • 100@lemm.ee
          1318·
          1 year ago

          Correct. I’ll happily shill for the defensive alliance formed to ward off (the currently on display) Russian aggression. NATO would not exist if Russia weren’t so nakedly attempting to rebuild the Soviet Union by force, an alliance that had already been litigated and abandoned by the smaller nations Russia pillaged for resources, this time without even pretending to be for the workers.

          Edit: no amount of tankie brigading will convince me that Russia isn’t the aggressor in the region. Imagine the brainrot required to think that the military that invaded Ukraine and is still currently there is the good team.

          • 133arc585@lemmy.ml
            109·
            1 year ago

            If you truly think this is a display of Russian aggression I genuinely doubt that you have any historic view on the geopolitics of the region. The conflict did not appear out of thin air in 2022. The situation is more complex than “Russian aggression”; in fact that’s not even a part of the picture. Russia is responding to requests for assistance after Ukraine began bombing its own people in 2014. Many of these people voted to join Russia after this disgusting display by Ukraine. Before 2022 most of the combatants against Ukraine were regular people fighting for their homes and families. These people realize that Ukraine wants to bomb their homes and Russia is offering to fight alongside them. On the weekend before the SMO began, there were 2000 ceasefire violations in the Donbass. Between 2014 and 2022, 1 million Ukrainians immigrated to Russia because of the abuse by the Ukrainian government. And since the operation began in 2022, another 1.3 million immigrated. The people in these territories that Ukraine has zero regard for view the support they are receiving from Russia positively: they invited Russia in to assist them, and they are somewhat reliant on Russia to protect them from Ukraine.

            I know life is a lot easier when you don’t muddy things with context. I know that it’s a lot easier to be righteous in your condemnation of a world power because they’re “evil” and an “aggressor” than it is to acknowledge that the situation is more complex. I know that it’s a lot easier to go along with what Western media says than to be informed and hold your own opinions. I know it feels nice to rally with everyone against a perceived enemy. I know it feels nice to feel that your country (and military) is finally doing something good for once. But you can’t let wanting to feel good stand in the way of reality. The Western media has done a hell of a job propagandizing this war, attempting to remove any historical and geopolitical context, in order to gather and maintain support. Think honestly: how much historical and geopolitical context have you seen, especially from popular media sources? How much more effort is spent on raging about current “evil deeds” than understanding the desires of the people in the actual territories that have asked Russia for help?

            Please read, and inform yourself. Life is less black-and-white than “Russia evil”.

            • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml
              28·
              1 year ago

              Gee, i wonder what happened in 2014 to make Ukrainians start shelling parts of the donbas?

              Could it be a land invasion by a neighboring country?

              No, they must be Nazis, the extremely trustworthy people in the Kremlin say so…

              • Pili@lemmygrad.ml
                12·
                1 year ago

                I will copy paste this comment from Hexbear that explains how we reached that situation, because I believe it will be useful here for context:

                The following three parts are absolutely crucial toward understanding the ongoing war in Ukraine from a materialist and historical standpoint:

                One, the Maidan Coup happened in 2013 because the former president Yanukovych wanted to postpone signing the EU association trade agreement, which was an economic warfare against both Ukraine and Russia. First, it required that Ukraine take on IMF loans that required them to cut social spending and education. Second, it would allow European goods to flood Russian market due to the existing tariff-free agreement between Ukraine and Russia, without allowing Russia to do so in reverse. Putin did NOT oppose to Ukraine signing the deal, he offered a tripartite meeting to discuss this tariff issue, but the EU refused. Yanukovych did not want to lose the trade revenue with Russia, so he said he needed more time to talk this out with Russia - but it was already too late, merely postponing was enough to trigger the ultranationalists/fascists to launch a coup.

                Second, the Donbass separatists rebelled because immediately after the coup, one of the first things the coup regime did was to initiate a ban on Russian language to lash out against ethnic Russians. Russia was forced into the conflict, because there would have been a massacre if the civil war was to allow the military to crush the resistance in Donbass.

                Third, the Minsk agreements showed that Russia was absolutely willing to return Donbass (but not Crimea for obvious reasons) to Ukraine, although Ukraine has to give the Donbass local governments more autonomy to protect their local cultures (so that someone from Kyiv can’t just simply impose a national ban on language or culture without considering the local populations). They waited 8 years for Ukraine to start implementing the protocol, but instead what they saw was NATO openly arming Ukraine for 8 years - this showed that Ukraine wanted to take back Donbass and Crimea by military force, and the only reason for that is quite simply that they wanted to ethnically cleanse the Russian culture without having to adhere to the Minsk agreements. Both Merkel and Hollande, guarantors of Minsk II, have admitted publicly in 2022 that Minsk was simply to buy time for Ukraine to militarize, proving Russia’s intuition correct.

                The war in Ukraine was inevitable. Russia still did the last ditch effort in 2021 to call for a security meeting with NATO, but to no avail. Under the new Biden presidency, Zelensky had been emboldened to talk about Ukraine joining NATO and rearming with nuclear weapons, prompting the invasion from Russia in February 2022. The rest is history.

                • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml
                  15·
                  1 year ago

                  Maidan Coup happened in 2013 because the former president Yanukovych wanted to postpone signing the EU association trade agreement

                  In defiance of the Ukrainian Parliament and the majority will of ukrainian people. and it wasn’t a coup. a coup is “a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government.” Yanukovych was removed after losing the confidence of both the people and his party through legal processes already afforded to the Ukrainian legislatured. Enough of his party defected to the opposition to the point where he no longer commanded a majority.

                  Which was an economic warfare against both Ukraine and Russia

                  Not economic warefare, a trade agreement which the Ukrainian parliament voted for. Russia had the option of cancelling it’s own trade deal with Ukraine if it did not approve of Ukraines trade deal with Europe. The choice of who Ukraine creates trade deals with entirely rests with Ukraine.

                  The Maiden protests also were about a lot more that just a trade deal with europe. The protesters also took issue with the endemic corruption and the growing oligopoly like the one in Russia.

                  Second, the Donbass separatists rebelled because immediately after the coup, one of the first things the coup regime did was to initiate a ban on Russian language to lash out against ethnic Russians.

                  The Russian language was not, nor has it ever been, banned. The Ukrainian parliament attempted to repeal a law that granted minority languages such as Russian regional status but it was vetoed by the then president of Ukraine. It’s wasn’t until 2018 that the law was deemed to be unconstitutional but even then, the Russian language was not banned

                  Third, the Minsk agreements showed that Russia was absolutely willing to return Donbass (but not Crimea for obvious reasons) to Ukraine

                  The Minsk agreements were signed under duress AFTER Russia invaded their neighbor, seizing Crimea and kicking off a civil war in Donbas. The war in Donbas is entirely down to Russia.

                  but not Crimea for obvious reasons

                  I see no reason why it shouldnt have been, Crimea is part of Ukraine and has been since the dissolution of the USSR.

                  Both Merkel and Hollande, guarantors of Minsk II, have admitted publicly in 2022 that Minsk was simply to buy time for Ukraine to militarize

                  If i kept being invaded by a neighboring country i would want to militarize too

          • ☭ Blursty ☭@lemmygrad.ml
            89·
            1 year ago

            You’re in a thread that’s showed you that NATO was a place to give jobs to high ranking Nazis. It’s the world’s most aggressive military alliance that Russia is defending itself from.

            • 100@lemm.ee
              45·
              1 year ago

              Lmfao “defending itself.” Where’s the Russian military right now pal? I, too, defend my home by attacking my neighbors.

              • Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml
                44·
                1 year ago

                Are your neighbours putting a nuclear missile in their yard and pointing it at your house, and you’re doing nothing?

                • pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee
                  23·
                  1 year ago

                  Russia does basically this to the U.S. with its subs and it’s a reality Americans are forced to deal with every day, so yes, Russia is the clear aggressor here.