Yes, and? Do you think everyone who subscribes to Nazism has stubbed the toe of a single person, let alone kill someone, let alone commit genocide? Most of them also only want to kill people, and violence is not solved with more violence. That just leads to a warring and unstable society,and an escalation of levels of violence. This can be avoided if you use non violent methods, like those mentioned in my other comment.
Use violence when they have started WW3. Not when they are peaceful members of society not causing any harm to people. Can’t you see the difference between when they are killing people and when they are keeping to themselves?
Fascist rhetoric directly results in increased violence against minorities and LGBTQ+ people. To say they are “peaceful members of society not causing any harm to people” ignores the sharp rise in right-wing violence against marginalized people over the last decade. Do you really think Nazis openly calling for the eradication of trans people isn’t going to cause an increase in violence against those groups?
Nazis calling for violence is Nazis starting the violence, responding in kind is not an escalation.
Responding with violence to levels of violence that are manageable and not yet a war will indeed lead to escalation of violence, and possibly a war, but that seems to be what you want, so you have an excuse to kill Nazis. Deescalation of violence should be the left wing mindset when confronted with violence, to try and bring down the violence with non violent means, and make the Nazis realise that gay and trans people aren’t so bad. Otherwise they are perfectly justified in calling left wing people cancel culture and sensitive. We should want to refute those claims, not enforce them.
Responding with violence to levels of violence that are manageable and not yet a war will indeed lead to escalation of violence
Again, they have already escalated the violence. Again, responding in kind is not an escalation.
Deescalation of violence should be the left wing mindset when confronted with violence, to try and bring down the violence with non violent means
Right you go ahead and try to reason with a lunatic pointing a gun at you and your friends, let me know how that turns out.
and make the Nazis realise that gay and trans people aren’t so bad
Good fucking god I’m tired of this absolute lib shit. You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. And even if you could, it’s not our jobs as individuals to denazify Nazis. Right now all I care about is that Nazis are threatening my LGTBQ+ friends, so I’m going to defend my LGBTQ+ friends.
Otherwise they are perfectly justified in calling left wing people cancel culture and sensitive.
Who fucking cares. I don’t give a fuck what Nazis think about leftists and neither should you.
Why do they get to decide what you think?
What the fuck does this even mean? How the hell are Nazis deciding what I think?
Nazi: “I am being a bigoted asshole.”
Me: “You are a bigoted asshole.”
Nazi: “HAHA I WIN, I HAVE JUST DECIDED WHAT YOU THINK! CHECKMATE!”
No, I think we should use non violent means, which are more effective anyway, while we are not at war. Violence is a last resort, not the first thing you turn to when someone believes something like that.
Of course, try and stop them, but not by saying in your left wing echo chamber that you want to kill them. Nobody’s actually going to kill the Nazis, they won’t see the comment, and if they do all it will do is drive them further apart and make them firmer in their beliefs.
Of course, I thought that would be obvious. I’m simply stating my opinion, that’s all that anyone can do. No one is an authority for the left, it is far too complex and divided within itself for that to be a thing.
Wanting and doing are not the same.
Yes, and? Do you think everyone who subscribes to Nazism has stubbed the toe of a single person, let alone kill someone, let alone commit genocide? Most of them also only want to kill people, and violence is not solved with more violence. That just leads to a warring and unstable society,and an escalation of levels of violence. This can be avoided if you use non violent methods, like those mentioned in my other comment.
I, too, remember WWII when the Nazis were defeated with reason and debate in the marketplace of ideas.
No, wait, that was violence. Violence defeated the Nazis. Weird, I thought violence didn’t work?
Use violence when they have started WW3. Not when they are peaceful members of society not causing any harm to people. Can’t you see the difference between when they are killing people and when they are keeping to themselves?
Fascist rhetoric directly results in increased violence against minorities and LGBTQ+ people. To say they are “peaceful members of society not causing any harm to people” ignores the sharp rise in right-wing violence against marginalized people over the last decade. Do you really think Nazis openly calling for the eradication of trans people isn’t going to cause an increase in violence against those groups?
Nazis calling for violence is Nazis starting the violence, responding in kind is not an escalation.
Responding with violence to levels of violence that are manageable and not yet a war will indeed lead to escalation of violence, and possibly a war, but that seems to be what you want, so you have an excuse to kill Nazis. Deescalation of violence should be the left wing mindset when confronted with violence, to try and bring down the violence with non violent means, and make the Nazis realise that gay and trans people aren’t so bad. Otherwise they are perfectly justified in calling left wing people cancel culture and sensitive. We should want to refute those claims, not enforce them.
Why do they get to decide what you think?
Again, they have already escalated the violence. Again, responding in kind is not an escalation.
Right you go ahead and try to reason with a lunatic pointing a gun at you and your friends, let me know how that turns out.
Good fucking god I’m tired of this absolute lib shit. You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. And even if you could, it’s not our jobs as individuals to denazify Nazis. Right now all I care about is that Nazis are threatening my LGTBQ+ friends, so I’m going to defend my LGBTQ+ friends.
Who fucking cares. I don’t give a fuck what Nazis think about leftists and neither should you.
What the fuck does this even mean? How the hell are Nazis deciding what I think?
Nazi: “I am being a bigoted asshole.”
Me: “You are a bigoted asshole.”
Nazi: “HAHA I WIN, I HAVE JUST DECIDED WHAT YOU THINK! CHECKMATE!”
Like seriously, what are you even talking about?
Quit fucking defending Nazis.
They’ll start WW3 if we leave them alone.
I’m not saying to leave them alone, I’m saying to not express a desire to kill them. There’s a difference.
You want to wait for WW3 to start before taking action?
No, I think we should use non violent means, which are more effective anyway, while we are not at war. Violence is a last resort, not the first thing you turn to when someone believes something like that.
In hindsight, maybe we should have seen the writing on the wall and stopped them before they started causing harm to people.
Of course, try and stop them, but not by saying in your left wing echo chamber that you want to kill them. Nobody’s actually going to kill the Nazis, they won’t see the comment, and if they do all it will do is drive them further apart and make them firmer in their beliefs.
If Nazis scatter like rats they’ll get hunted like rats.
What goes around comes around.
I’d rather not have WW3. Since this lesson has already been learned and all we can stop it first.
No one here needs your permission to stop them nor are you an authority who has the right to tell the left what to do.
Of course, I thought that would be obvious. I’m simply stating my opinion, that’s all that anyone can do. No one is an authority for the left, it is far too complex and divided within itself for that to be a thing.