• Sunfoil@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Some people wanted Bernie, most didn’t. That’s why he didn’t win. You have no idea what the DNC wants. The DNC has no authority to try and sabotage a Sanders presidency, that’s a wild thing to say. There were some emails 7 years ago and those people resigned. They’re not going to rig it. Or ignore the vote.

    If who you can vote for IS decided by the Evil Capitalists, how did Sanders get onto the ballot, then get millions of votes in 2016 & 2020? How did he run a campaign without a superpac, beating out millionaires with massive campaign funds?

    I guess it’s cool if you think politics doesn’t matter because it’s all a conspiracy, it just means your political beliefs have zero chance of getting anywhere.

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      8 months ago

      Here is a good article on the hurdles Bernie had put in his way by the DNC.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20201101090855/https://berniewouldhavelost.com/

      Which brings us to the goal for this essay: To allow someone with one hour and no background in polling or statistics to come away with an intimate understanding of the real story behind the 2020 Democratic Primary. If you are someone with even a kernel of doubt about the legitimacy of the results, this is, without hyperbole, the most important document you will ever read.

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        8 months ago

        You might as well be linking me to the Q board on 8chan. This guy is huffing litres of copium.

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      That’s actually ahistorical, Bernie was fucked over in 2016 and was beating Hillary until superdelagates got involved. In 2020, Bernie beat Biden in most states that Biden beat Trump in, Biden only picked up steam when it came to red state primaries. The people want Bernie.

      Did Bernie win, though? No. Again, superdelegates and careful design of the electoral process prevents anyone from actually rocking the boat.

      Politics absolutely matters, elections at the federal level are loss prevention, and at the local level you can genuinely get Socialists into office. However, meaningful political change occurs when there’s grassroots momentum, like the Civil Rights Movement and Black Panthers. Unionization is one of the best ways to force political change.

      Please, feel free to continue mouthing off and putting words in my mouth, you can continue being a radlib and supporting the status quo like your life depends on it, unfortunately I’m not privledged enough to not advocate for meaningful change.

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        8 months ago

        Ok I will continue ‘mouthing off’.

        Clinton won the popular vote. Bernie would have had to get nearly ALL the superdelegates to vote against the popular vote to win. All they did was cement Clinton’s victory. His campaign also raised and spent more money.

        I don’t know where your reading of 2016 has come from. Is this just copium that Bernie didn’t win? which part of the less votes from more money is the capitalist conspiracy?

        And again, Biden beat Bernie even harder than Clinton did. People vote for who they want to be president. America doesn’t want Bernie to be President.

        And look at that, the popularity of Bernie has moved the Democrats further left.

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          It’s crazy how you can be so wrong. The DNC colluded with Hillary against Bernie, it was proven in email leaks circa 2016. As for 2020, again, Biden won against Bernie in red states that went to Trump, Bernie beat Biden pretty handily in blue states.

          Bernie hasn’t pushed the dems meaningfully to the left, just the population. The DNC is just as Neoliberal as ever.

          Again, keep mouthing off.

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            8 months ago

            But he didn’t win the popular vote in 2016 or 2020! What do you think that means? Yes obviously he beat Biden in the more left wing states, because he is more left wing. But because he is less popular, he lost overall. The DNC ‘collusion’ was some emails then the emailers resigned. When they weren’t colluding, he lost even harder. They’re not rigging elections. This is QAnon level shit. The Dems are meaningfully more left wing. That’s such a blatantly, irrefutably obvious fact I don’t know what to tell you. Look at the shit Biden has done, it did not happen in the Obama era.

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              You don’t understand the process of primaries, I suppose, and again, Bernie won the states that ended up going to Biden. Bernie would’ve won regardless, likely winning what Hillary lost.

              It’s a known fact the DNC colluded, there’s mountains of evidence. The dems are not more meaningfully left wing, Biden hasn’t pushed America any closer to Socialism, lmao.

              Keep mouthing off, it’s funny.