• ysjet@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    Good lord no, playboy was always super misogynistic. Hugh Hefner was MASSIVELY problematic lol.

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      I won’t defend Hefner, but the articles genuinely were (and are) as far to the left as you’ll see in any widely circulated publication. Being associated with porn gave them cover to write whatever they wanted.

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        2 years ago

        Penn Jillette was a writer for playboy, and Margret Atwood, Kurt Vonnegut, Roald Dahl

        Like tons of famous autrhors.

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            Thanks, I knew I was forgetting one, my wife actually told me most of the list and I think she said him too.

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            2 years ago

            Sure, but that means on social issues (like the trans rights) he is very “progressive”.

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                2 years ago

                You clearly haven’t read the platform of the Libertarian party. It’s all about individual freedom, and it’s a good platform.

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                  I love individual freedom in general. But in my experience they tend to not be the most genuine about their beliefs in it. And I support ideas that they definitely dislike like taxation, collective action, business regulation, and Keynesian economic policy. Also I’ve struggled to take them seriously in part due to Gary Johnson being their most reasonable candidate.

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                    I voted for Gary as he was the best candidate who ran that year. Too bad he didn’t win, we would be in far better shape as a nation.

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        The hilarious part is that as the number and availability of nude photos has increased geometrically, buying old vintage Playboys for the articles is legitimately a thing now.

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          It doesn’t hurt that their articles were actually iconic.

          Seriously though. My straight mom apparently used to subscribe to playboy.

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      He wanted Playboy to be progressive (on abortion, weed, euthanasia, sexuality, etc), and he wanted equality for women, but he personally didn’t live by those same rules. Rules for thee, not for me, etc.
      That’s just my opinion, though.

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      For sure but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t be progressive especially for the time. Know nothing about him tbh but many historical progressive figures are pretty problematic

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          Yeah and it should be noted that second and third wave feminism weren’t happening separately, most of their existence was simultaneous, it was thesis and antithesis, call and response. Second did things and third called it out. Anti porn feminism came about criticizing men taking sexual advantage of women and then the third responded with shit like all women porn collectives creating porn by women for women and presenting the statement that porn isn’t inherently exploitative, men use porn to exploit women for sexual pleasure and financial gain.

          Criticism of playboy from a feminist perspective is deeply rooted in the second wave. It was Steinem who led it and she was as many iconic second wave theorists were, not wrong but incomplete. (Side note, I’m mentioning her a lot and need to point out her role in the satanic panic, she’d 1000% be into Qanon today). But Steinem wouldn’t care that playboy published everything from Hunter S. Thompson to Margaret Atwood to a frank discussion about her transition with Wendy Carlos.

          They absolutely exploited women’s bodies to sell good journalism, but it was damn good journalism, so in the end it’s just kinda weird

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      While Hefner was a bit of an enigma, he was definitely chauvinistic in his private life in my opinion, but Playboy and even Hefner himself was pretty left on social issues including being sex positive and equality for women.

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      It was a mix. Hefner was an absolute pig, and Steinem’s famous expose must be acknowledged here. But also it was the main magazine of counterculture. They would publish feminists. They would publish anyone interesting.

      Wendy Carlos actually had an iconic interview with them talking about her transition and it was in part because their articles were willing to treat her like a person and take her seriously. Their porn on the other hand, once again, super fucking misogynistic.

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        I also recall that they would publish academics arguing for gay rights in the letters to the editors