Thank you, Tux. I will take your advice and create new leftists. Should I tell them about Foss too, or should that wait?
Well everyone’s journey is different. I started with just finding out how cool programming is, learned about foss, and then one day said “why doesn’t everything follow foss principles?”
and the answer, as with all things, is “because developers have to eat”
Tell them about Arch Linux.
Gor The Little beans, give them a few, for the 15 and up crowd, lay it on
For the little beans…
FOSS is a good way to convert techbros to leftism.
You’ll never change someone overnight or in one conversation, but every time you say something radically leftist, you’re planting a seed in uncle Jim-Bob that will slowly shift their way of thinking. Deradicalizing conservatives, racists, fascists, etc is hard as fuck. The important thing is that when someone goes to you and intentionally starts questioning their ideals, you’ve been handed the opportunity to change their mind slowly over months/years
There reaches a tipping point though. When you hear something radically right leaning does it plant a seed that slowly shifts you? Or does it annoy you and get immediately pushed away?
The difference is in the truth. People gravitate towards the truth, it takes conditioning to divert people from the truth. “I’m not being paid enough to live comfortably. Why could that be?”:
- A complex economic system that prioritizes the growth of wealth for a small privileged minority, means that i will never be paid the full worth of my labor
- jews
Why do people ever go towards the second one as their answer? It takes a convoluted web of lies being bombarded on the person daily and sucked down a pipeline of outrage.
I agree with everything you’ve said. I’ve found however that some people are quite entrenched, and attempting to bring them over just pushes them further away. In those circumstances I find it better to just wait until an opening presents itself. Tactical strikes instead of a constant light shower.
“Mommy, what does ‘we shall make no excuses for the terror’ mean?”
Good advice from an animal? We could name a community after this.
But let’s not.
Suggestion Mammals sounds good.
My highly religious uncle that looks like a literal gnome is the most entertaining one to be around, but only if one can mange to sneak away to smoke weed first. Otherwise it’s just a lecture about how everything I’m doing with my life goes against god.
My religious family gave up on the “you’re a sinner” lecture after I made it super clear that A) I don’t care and B) I’m not going to argue with them about it. If I got mad or tried to fight about it, they LOVED that shit, but being like, “yup!” and throwing some finger pistols their way and they don’t really have a response besides telling me to not sin. But they can only keep that up so long when you’re like, “oh no doubt, Uncle Fuckface.”
I mean, I also don’t talk to them anymore so that really solved the problem, but the cheerful agreement that I’m for sure going to hell got me through my teenage years/early 20s. Surprise, I didn’t get less queer even after all the lectures!
If those kinds of assholes are the ones going to heaven, I’m glad I won’t be joining them.
The ‘Lecture’ stopped bothering me a while ago for the same reason as you, it’s just way more fun to antagonize them about it while high.
That’s okay, everything he did with his life goes against God, too.
Not that anyone knows what God thinks. Even the Pope has admitted as much.
While I like the sentiment, it’s not entirely true.
You can’t convince people to change their core beliefs. That’s not how deprogramming works anyway. Cult deprogramming starts by asking them to explain and asking questions that let them unravel the problem themselves. Pointing out people’s internal contradictions tends to reinforce them, but when they run in to their own contradictions those absurd beliefs tend to unravel.
questioning their logic is really effective, ask one good question and don’t expect an answer. that question will haunt them and make them realize they’re probably wrong a few hours/days later.
actually saved someone from the “immigrants bad, pure germans strong” rabbithole.
actually saved someone from the “immigrants bad, pure germans strong” rabbithole.
I’m curious, how did you do that?
Communist Penguins are a pretty good symbol for most of the users on Lemmy. (Or maybe just the most vocal users.)
I use penguin btw
Nah, I don’t dine with fascists. I’ve made that very clear that if fascists are invited to dinner I will not attend, and take it as my family expressing a preference for their company over mine.
please don’t actually
too late bucko
no, please do, it’s so fun
I’m going into the den of racists this year, wish me luck
First Dog on the Moon my beloved
I don’t have any family members like that, but I do have an aunt who for lack of a better term believes in pretty insane tankie shit, no one talks to her though, technically we don’t invite her for christmas, she just kind of shows up and we let her join because she’s already there, if it were up to me I wouldn’t but my mom doesn’t want to do that to her sister (even though they ignore each other the whole time).
That would just give the racist uncle what they want. Fuck that. The racist uncle wants to put you in a low status place like the kids’ table so he doesn’t have to pretend you’re an equal and can regard you as an inferior.
Why do you care what racist uncle thinks though? Is it going to affect anyone in the world other than him?
Because it’s not about what racist uncle thinks, it’s about what he’s doing, but thanks for helping racist uncle by misrepresenting the situation entirely.
You’re not changing what racist uncle is doing or thinking no matter what you do. I deal with racist uncle too, you know. I’m busy radicalizing the kiddos ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You’re not going to change my mind or convince me what I am doing is hopeless either, yet here you are still talking.
It’s almost like we speak and call people out on wrongdoing because of principle and not for results.
It’s almost like that’s more important and sets a positive example for everyone else around that racist uncle’s behavior isn’t just silently tolerated out of a misguided sense of hopelessness.
And I’m gonna keep saying it even though it won’t get through to you. Aunt Bible Thumper.
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Why are you? Why do you resort to personal attacks every time I tell you what you don’t want to hear? Why can’t you just let shit go? Why does every discussion have to be a battle with you?
I know why: because you’re just some petty asshole who’s out to win something, and I don’t have time for it. Go look in the mirror before bitching about other people.
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