so much of my extended family came over without papers, but managed to get them and now they want that trump wall built and want immigrants banned and the last election proves that it’s a common thread among all latinos.
most of the ones in rural texas and suburban florida like trump; every one else hates him and there’s no in between somehow; but hating on new immigrants is common everywhere.
Yeah it’s such a weird attitude because I bet they didn’t come over the border. The vast majority of illegal immigration into the United States comes from people overstaying their visas, I don’t see what a wall is going to do to stop that. Well I do see what a wall is going to do to stop that, nothing at all.
As they say a 30 ft wall can be beaten by 31 ft ladder, but equally you could just take the plane flying at 12,000 ft
“If we can eliminate suffering why did I suffer?”
A lot of people justify their trials and tribulations as well as a coping mechanism, but eliminating them dimmishing the copeing.
Pretty much. It’s the “kids have it so easy these days” resentment. The “I suffered, so they should too” mentality. People tell themselves that their suffering made them stronger because it helps them cope with the fact that their life fucking sucked for a while. Or they tell themselves that they were able to come out on top through sheer willpower, (even if there was a lot of luck/nepotism/etc involved too,) so anyone else should be able to as well.
It’s true. So much suffering is needless and pointless and rather than accept that and work to eliminate needless, pointless suffering for others, which is exactly what would make suffering meaningful, so many would make sure others suffer worse. It’s sick. We need healing but that doesn’t serve billionaires, or capitalism.
Consider the premise: “I had to suffer to get where I am today.” Disregarding nuance, there are two polarized takes when confronted with improvement of the situations:
I suffered and so should the next guy.
I don’t want anyone to suffer like I did.
We see a stark difference in outlook, but it’s hard to see a justification. My theory is that it has to do with fairness. Watch this:
I suffered and so should the next guy, it’s only fair.
I don’t want anyone to suffer like I did, what I experienced was unfair.
I think this is the thinking that explains everyone’s observations, while letting everyone maintain some degree of rationality. The trick is not about whether or not someone empathizes at all, but rather how they prioritize empathy with respect to their own suffering. From there one determines what is fair or unfair about past and future events.
I spoke with a dude from Ukraine the other day and my mind was blown. He was going on about immigrants and the wall. He actually said, “They want to destroy our culture.” I said to him, “Dude, with your accent there are people who immediately feel that way about you when they hear you speak.” It was like he didn’t even hear me. Then he went on about Muslims in Europe and said something like, “We can’t relate to those people and they don’t want to fit in, they want to take over. The Muslims are worse but they’re doing the same thing coming up here from down south.”
In his mind he was the good immigrant. All the other ones are bad.
I work with immigrants mostly on work visas, and they all seem to support stricter immigration controls. Look at Vivek Ramiswamy, his parents are immigrants and he’s hardcore about restricting immigration.
They’re just pulling the ladder up behind themselves…
That said, there are others, like Nikki Haley (I think her parents are immigrants too), who take a much more reasonable approach to make it easier to come legally and harder to come illegally. I don’t like her other policies, but it’s nice seeing a Republican from an immigrant family oppose Trump and his stupid border policies.
I yesterday read that one of the Koch Brothers endorses her run for presidency and wants her to prevent Trumps resurgence. Although I wouldn’t vote GOP (I favoured Bernie 2016) it seems she’s reasonable and the minor evil.
She’s way better than Trump, and perhaps the only Republican I’d consider voting for. I don’t like her policies, but she is rare in that she doesn’t like Trump and imo has the capability to steer the GOP away from MAGA nonsense.
However, I think her policies suck in general. So I’d be voting for her for two reasons: she opposes Trump and she is kinda reasonable about immigration.
I don’t think she has much of a chance this election (we’ll see), but she does feel like a return to the old GOP that I didn’t hate with the firey passion of a thousand suns.
I’ll probably vote third party because my state will vote for the GOP candidate regardless by at least 20%, but I’ll probably switch my affiliation to R to vote for her in the primaries.
they don’t even have to be from trump.
so much of my extended family came over without papers, but managed to get them and now they want that trump wall built and want immigrants banned and the last election proves that it’s a common thread among all latinos.
most of the ones in rural texas and suburban florida like trump; every one else hates him and there’s no in between somehow; but hating on new immigrants is common everywhere.
“I got mine, fuck you,” they’re living the American Dream.
Yeah it’s such a weird attitude because I bet they didn’t come over the border. The vast majority of illegal immigration into the United States comes from people overstaying their visas, I don’t see what a wall is going to do to stop that. Well I do see what a wall is going to do to stop that, nothing at all.
As they say a 30 ft wall can be beaten by 31 ft ladder, but equally you could just take the plane flying at 12,000 ft
what’s reasoning for ladder pulling ._.
“If we can eliminate suffering why did I suffer?” A lot of people justify their trials and tribulations as well as a coping mechanism, but eliminating them dimmishing the copeing.
Pretty much. It’s the “kids have it so easy these days” resentment. The “I suffered, so they should too” mentality. People tell themselves that their suffering made them stronger because it helps them cope with the fact that their life fucking sucked for a while. Or they tell themselves that they were able to come out on top through sheer willpower, (even if there was a lot of luck/nepotism/etc involved too,) so anyone else should be able to as well.
It’s true. So much suffering is needless and pointless and rather than accept that and work to eliminate needless, pointless suffering for others, which is exactly what would make suffering meaningful, so many would make sure others suffer worse. It’s sick. We need healing but that doesn’t serve billionaires, or capitalism.
Empathy, and how it relates to fairness.
Consider the premise: “I had to suffer to get where I am today.” Disregarding nuance, there are two polarized takes when confronted with improvement of the situations:
We see a stark difference in outlook, but it’s hard to see a justification. My theory is that it has to do with fairness. Watch this:
I think this is the thinking that explains everyone’s observations, while letting everyone maintain some degree of rationality. The trick is not about whether or not someone empathizes at all, but rather how they prioritize empathy with respect to their own suffering. From there one determines what is fair or unfair about past and future events.
The reasoning I heard is they left for a cultural reason, and they dont want culture they left that coming in.
I spoke with a dude from Ukraine the other day and my mind was blown. He was going on about immigrants and the wall. He actually said, “They want to destroy our culture.” I said to him, “Dude, with your accent there are people who immediately feel that way about you when they hear you speak.” It was like he didn’t even hear me. Then he went on about Muslims in Europe and said something like, “We can’t relate to those people and they don’t want to fit in, they want to take over. The Muslims are worse but they’re doing the same thing coming up here from down south.”
In his mind he was the good immigrant. All the other ones are bad.
I don’t know. The world is neat.
I work with immigrants mostly on work visas, and they all seem to support stricter immigration controls. Look at Vivek Ramiswamy, his parents are immigrants and he’s hardcore about restricting immigration.
They’re just pulling the ladder up behind themselves…
That said, there are others, like Nikki Haley (I think her parents are immigrants too), who take a much more reasonable approach to make it easier to come legally and harder to come illegally. I don’t like her other policies, but it’s nice seeing a Republican from an immigrant family oppose Trump and his stupid border policies.
I yesterday read that one of the Koch Brothers endorses her run for presidency and wants her to prevent Trumps resurgence. Although I wouldn’t vote GOP (I favoured Bernie 2016) it seems she’s reasonable and the minor evil.
I’m from Europe so excuse me if I got smth wrong.
She’s way better than Trump, and perhaps the only Republican I’d consider voting for. I don’t like her policies, but she is rare in that she doesn’t like Trump and imo has the capability to steer the GOP away from MAGA nonsense.
However, I think her policies suck in general. So I’d be voting for her for two reasons: she opposes Trump and she is kinda reasonable about immigration.
I don’t think she has much of a chance this election (we’ll see), but she does feel like a return to the old GOP that I didn’t hate with the firey passion of a thousand suns.
I’ll probably vote third party because my state will vote for the GOP candidate regardless by at least 20%, but I’ll probably switch my affiliation to R to vote for her in the primaries.