I would like to know if I can feel safe here, or if I should pack it up and start looking elsewhere sooner rather than later.

If the kbin staff have already made there intentions clear, please let me know.

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    Meta cannot harm you by federating. If they want your data that you posted on kbin then they already have it. They run curl and they can swallow all your posts and metadata associated. Whatever you post is given for free to everyone with an internet connection.

    Also Meta probably will never federate since it involves a huge risk that they will end up hosting illegal data against their will.

    edit: also think in legal terms, meta will never publish content on their site if a federated server hasn’t signed a mountain of legal documents beforehand. It’s simply not happening. I’m only speaking on a user level. If our admin adopts a pro-facebook stance then of course it’s a different story.

    edit: The more I read about this the more doubt I have about this story. It seems that kbin still hasn’t signed the fedipact? It’s becoming a big deal and it will affect kbin even if we adopt a neutral stance. There is in fact no more neutral stance. We should sign.

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      Meta can harm us by federating - the server load alone would demolish Kbin and Lemmy. We were overwhelmed with just the recent sign ups from ex Redditors, how do you think Kbin and Lemmy could handle the firehose of Threads’ data?

      IG has 1B accounts. If each IG account makes a Threads account and chooses to automatically follow all of their IG follows that also have Threads accounts set up, while we were federated with Threads., Kbin and Lemmy instances would be done. ETA: I understand that it won’t be all 1B users instantly appearing, and that it would require someone from the smaller instance subscribing to someone from Threads, but it would grow pretty rapidly I’d imagine.

      We absolutely have to defederate from Threads just to stay up and be functional. It’s not all about privacy.

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        If the Fediverse can’t scale to 1 billion users then better to find that out now so we can start working on Fediverse 2.0 that can handle it. “I hope we stay small and nobody notices us” is not a sound technical solution.

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        We absolutely have to defederate from Threads just to stay up and be functional.

        Threads won’t federate so they can stay out of touch of illegal content. The lemmy populace is radioactive material to Facebook. Even here we are fighting against the random content being NSFW, so imagine the black suits of facebook… imagine the lawyers of facebook having a quick look at what they are about to federate. They will pull the plug on it after their first visit.

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          I agree. it’s fun to debate about whether to federate with meta but bottom line is, meta will want to control their content. by opening a gateway somewhere else, they lose that control. meta will maintain their own closed system.

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        If they federate then we can publish on their site without having to sign any legal agreement to anything! Hello lawyers! \o/