Elon Musk had to discuss endlessly with the authorities in my country to find a spot he was allowed to build his factory in. When people protested he had to wait until the protest was over and couldn’t just continue building because it could have been dangerous for the protestors. He has to pay a fine now and change his gray water waste handling. He doesn’t just do it anyway because he know police and judge would arrest him.
Another example: a person owning casinos wanted to build a casino in the neighborhood where I live. He bought a property under false pretences and when the government learned he wanted to build a casino they denied that and forced him to pay a fine and now he will have to sell property again. The reason why he isn’t just bulldozing down the building and build casino anyway is because he know police will stop him and his workers.
Shall I go on? There are thousands of things happening everyday that police and the state is doing. Who is going to stop rich or more powerful people if you abolish police and state?
Feel free… I will happily point out the gaping flaws in your reasoning with any example you could care to provide.
Elon Musk had to discuss endlessly with the authorities
Of course he did - he knows the people in authority are his friends… so why wouldn’t he? It’s the people in authority that protects his exploitation… it’s literally the reason capitalists invented police. Why wouldn’t Elon work within the system that is designed to benefit him at the expense of poor people?
When people protested he had to wait until the protest was over
So you are saying that it was protestors - not police - that was putting up resistance to the rich’s exploitation?
You don’t say.
he know police and judge would arrest him.
No, they wouldn’t. Do you see police choke-holding millionaires and billionaires to death in the streets? Yes? No?
Another example
The exact same factors apply. This capitalist didn’t work within the very system that protects capitalist exploitation… and got a mild little slap on the wrist for it as opposed to a death sentence - which is a de facto risk for any poor person forced into an encounter with the police.
Who is going to stop rich or more powerful people if you abolish police and state?
Again… police and state exists to enable the rich’s exploitation - not prevent it. This means the assumption underpinning your question isn’t grounded in reality but in fiction.
Wow you are very naive. He had to discuss because he wasn’t allowed to just bulldoze a village and put his factory wherever he likes. You gracefully ignore that part.
Without laws and without police someone who is stronger than you and/or has more resources than you will just fuck you over. That’s exactly what you are criticising about the current system but you ingore that without laws and structures like police in place they would just fuck you over more. Because then nothing is stopping them.
You romanticise people by believing they would side by side storm Elon Musks factory, take his stuff and then be happily singing Kumba Yo.
What would actually happen is that he would pay people or promise them stuff to build his factory on the village, give his community weapons and shoot everyone down who comes near his property.
So maybe you have weapons as well and you win this fight. Now you are the group with all the weapons. What’s next? Maybe you want to distribute them around the other villages as well. What if not everyone in your group agrees? What if someone in your group thinks: “Great, now I can finally get that nice house I always wanted that my neighbour is living in.”
Elon Musk had to discuss endlessly with the authorities in my country to find a spot he was allowed to build his factory in. When people protested he had to wait until the protest was over and couldn’t just continue building because it could have been dangerous for the protestors. He has to pay a fine now and change his gray water waste handling. He doesn’t just do it anyway because he know police and judge would arrest him.
Another example: a person owning casinos wanted to build a casino in the neighborhood where I live. He bought a property under false pretences and when the government learned he wanted to build a casino they denied that and forced him to pay a fine and now he will have to sell property again. The reason why he isn’t just bulldozing down the building and build casino anyway is because he know police will stop him and his workers.
Shall I go on? There are thousands of things happening everyday that police and the state is doing. Who is going to stop rich or more powerful people if you abolish police and state?
Feel free… I will happily point out the gaping flaws in your reasoning with any example you could care to provide.
Of course he did - he knows the people in authority are his friends… so why wouldn’t he? It’s the people in authority that protects his exploitation… it’s literally the reason capitalists invented police. Why wouldn’t Elon work within the system that is designed to benefit him at the expense of poor people?
So you are saying that it was protestors - not police - that was putting up resistance to the rich’s exploitation?
You don’t say.
No, they wouldn’t. Do you see police choke-holding millionaires and billionaires to death in the streets? Yes? No?
The exact same factors apply. This capitalist didn’t work within the very system that protects capitalist exploitation… and got a mild little slap on the wrist for it as opposed to a death sentence - which is a de facto risk for any poor person forced into an encounter with the police.
Again… police and state exists to enable the rich’s exploitation - not prevent it. This means the assumption underpinning your question isn’t grounded in reality but in fiction.
Wow you are very naive. He had to discuss because he wasn’t allowed to just bulldoze a village and put his factory wherever he likes. You gracefully ignore that part.
Without laws and without police someone who is stronger than you and/or has more resources than you will just fuck you over. That’s exactly what you are criticising about the current system but you ingore that without laws and structures like police in place they would just fuck you over more. Because then nothing is stopping them.
You romanticise people by believing they would side by side storm Elon Musks factory, take his stuff and then be happily singing Kumba Yo.
What would actually happen is that he would pay people or promise them stuff to build his factory on the village, give his community weapons and shoot everyone down who comes near his property.
So maybe you have weapons as well and you win this fight. Now you are the group with all the weapons. What’s next? Maybe you want to distribute them around the other villages as well. What if not everyone in your group agrees? What if someone in your group thinks: “Great, now I can finally get that nice house I always wanted that my neighbour is living in.”