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[Announcement] Lemmy.World and lemmy.dbzer0.com has defederated from ani.social - Ani.Social
ani.socialAs of November 7, 2023 09:23 both Lemmy.World and lemmy.dbzer0.com
[http://lemmy.dbzer0.com] have federated with us again. Thank you for quickly
reviewing the situation and reversing your decision. We hope that Lemmy.ml
[http://Lemmy.ml] will follow soon. ::: spoiler Original post: To anyone who is
not familiar with the situation, please read our previous post
[https://ani.social/post/863176] for context. Please do not say anything hateful
toward the concerned instances’ admins. — ## What happened? A few hours ago,
Lemmy.World and lemmy.dbzer0.com has defederated from ani.social
[https://defed.xyz/check/ani.social], following the events of Lemmy.ml
defederating from ani.social on November 3 [https://ani.social/post/863176].
Lemmy.World has given a censure on Fediseer
[https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/ani.social] with the reason being
“loli”. lemmy.dbzer0.com [http://lemmy.dbzer0.com] has not given a reason for
defederation as of the moment. We disagree with anyone claiming that ani.social
intentionally and knowingly hosts CSAM. We would like to remind everyone that
ani.social has a content policy regarding CSAM content
[https://ani.social/legal] since day one. Specifically, our content policy
states the following: > 7. Do not submit content depicting a child (both real
and virtual) engaged or involved in explicit sexual activities. A child is
defined as a person who is under 18 years old; or a person, regardless of age,
who is presented, depicted or portrayed as under 18 years old. To provide some
context, the Lemmy developers excluded ani.social from the recently launched
join-lemmy.org redesign without any clear reason provided
[https://github.com/LemmyNet/joinlemmy-site/commit/d17c4d7d2fbeafb6e39000332d0ac21499de5b47].
My pull request to remove ani.social from the exclude-list was denied for the
reason being that ani.social is “full of CSAM”
[https://github.com/LemmyNet/joinlemmy-site/pull/266]. Shortly after, ani.social
was defederated from Lemmy.ml [http://Lemmy.ml]. The full story may be found on
the previous thread [https://ani.social/post/863176]. Numerous threads have
since spawned, many of which have comments state that there is no evidence of
the claim that ani.social is “full of CSAM” and that the decision was unfair.
These threads include: - https://ani.social/post/863176
[https://ani.social/post/863176] - https://lemmy.ml/post/7406051
[https://lemmy.ml/post/7406051] - https://lemmy.world/post/7714824
[https://lemmy.world/post/7714824] - https://sh.itjust.works/post/8411770
[https://sh.itjust.works/post/8411770] - https://lemmy.ml/post/7437529
[https://lemmy.ml/post/7437529] We respectfully ask the admins of Lemmy.World,
lemmy.dbzer0.com [http://lemmy.dbzer0.com], and Lemmy.ml [http://Lemmy.ml] to
review the situation and our policies, and consider reversing your decision if
there is no evidence that ani.social intentionally and knowingly hosts CSAM. ##
What now? If you are a user of ani.social and wish to see content from
Lemmy.World and lemmy.dbzer0.com [http://lemmy.dbzer0.com], we kindly ask you to
move to a different instance that is federated with all three instances. If you
are a user of Lemmy.World or lemmy.dbzer0.com [http://lemmy.dbzer0.com] and wish
to see content from ani.social, we kindly ask you to send a request to your
respective admins to reverse their decisions after reviewing the situation. To
all other Fediverse instance admins, we kindly ask you to carefully review our
instance and its policies before defederating from us. To all ani.social users,
please do not forget to report content that violates our content policy
[https://ani.social/legal]. ## My personal thoughts As the admin of ani.social,
I sincerely apologize to all our users regarding the defederation from three
major Lemmy instances. I believe that this is my fault for not communicating our
policies clearly enough. I will continue working toward a solution regarding
this matter so please be patient. Thank you for reading this, and I appreciate
everyone’s support. :::
The comments section is ultimate drama. 😹😹
That was sort of my thinking as well. I’ve been trying to get a clear answer for a ban that archived everything to show that they were just banned for criticism, and I haven’t gotten a direct answer other than a claim that contradicts the evidence.
Purging an account, banning it, and then allowing them to sweep everything under the ban rug is a direct attack on the credibility of user accounts, and I can understand people not trusting a server with it when they do that, and it’s even worse when those admins are capable of being charismatic so people are much less keen to question them.
That’s something that abusive power mods on reddit did all the time. They tried to sweep everything under the ban rug, keep quiet about it and only give out vague reasons, and then just label the user a shithead when they inevitably then had to proceed to try to scale it up, which meant trying to attract more attention, which made people question them more, which just swept them up with the people that really deserved it, and it just became a vicious cycle.
The one big tell is that when somebody really deserves it, they don’t really hide it, whereas when its much more questionable, they keep so quiet that you have to wonder whether the person in question killed anyone, which just adds to it.
You can see how their admins behave in this thread…
Uh, is @[email protected] really Antik and not just someone trying to supplant their identity by naming themselves [email protected]? That … just raises so many questions if so.
Yes. Its a Lemmyworld admin with a lemmy.ee account behaving like a absolute outcast.
No its the same person definitely otherwise he wouldn’t be following me after they banned me from .world
He is a absolutely fragile person and a creep following others around the fediverse.
I mean, it would be pretty damning if confirmed, you should try reporting it to lemm.ee admins to see whether they can confirm this.
There are people who would troll like that just to create drama, but considering how active and reactive lemmy.world admins generally are and that they are already checking this thread out, they would probably already have at least banned them on lemmy.world. They haven’t …
Could you screenshot the entire thread?
He even made a admin comment.
I can personally confirm it because the guy said he banned my account and after checking the Lemmy.world modlog my account was banned around the same time, so its 100%
Oh wow, you are completely right: http://web.archive.org/save/https://lemmy.world/comment/5138651
He’s accusing me of being you … before, he was accusing me of being someone else: http://web.archive.org/web/20231107174821/https://sh.itjust.works/comment/5160618
Yes please screenshot the thing and send me it, the scrollshot feature doesn’t work properly on my phone for some reason. Man i need this to show around how much of a shitshow their admins are.
And we are quiet obviously not the same person, i think he goes insane now.
🤡
Lol enjoy talking to yourself CJO?
I posted with my main account here too. I’m @[email protected] on an alt because these accounts are banned from LW.
No CJO, it’s me don’t worry I posted from my main account too
Bro that’s not one of my accounts you dumbass.
No surely just a random pedo defender who pops up in the same threads like you 😂
Man wtf? The guy didn’t defend pedophilia, he isn’t me and we aren’t the only two people on lemmy. Whats your fucking point?
Yeah, I saw. Just surprised to see an admin acting this way, you’ve basically been quite reserved up to this point from my perspective. I was really hoping to give my suspicions more of a benefit of a doubt, but you just went and accused me of being someone else for replying to their comments…
I can’t talk for your argument with them or what you are accusing them off, but you’ve obviously read the first of my comments in this thread, and I have nothing else to add. The only thing I am doing is what the intent of lemmy is for me, seeing how instances handle their administration to make an informed decision about how well I can trust them and participate in them. That means checking up and following up communities and posts like the one we are on. Don’t let your paranoia chase your own tail.
https://burggit.moe/u/cookiejarobserver
… and now you are creating links to content you claim is pedo all over the thread …
Claim is the correct word seeing the posts lol…
Look at the @lemm.ee at the end of their username, this is likely an impersonated account. Certainly not the real Antik given how they behave.
That’s what I first was suspicious of elsewhere in the thread , but they have since made it pretty clear it was them: http://web.archive.org/save/https://lemmy.world/comment/5138651 (Or, well, here if they still haven’t deleted it: https://lemmy.world/u/antik ) and have even suggested I’m an alt of the user I was replying to along with some wild but otherwise unproved claims that my account was created around the same time his was removed (he knows, or should know, why and when I created mine: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/4632925 https://sh.itjust.works/comment/4648668 )